Time: Thu, 01-Nov-2001 21:24:07 GMT     IP: 65.210.98.91

Congrats on your no shame and such an active message board.

When no shame started at Iowa the whole point was to create a 
place where people could experiment with theatre without having 
any impact on grades--kind of narrow because it wasn't only 
students who did the work, but Stan, Jeff and I all were.

The really wonderful thing is that the notion took root and like 
kudzu has grown all over the world...well, parts of it anyway.

That the UofI no shame still persists into its second decade is 
evidence of the power of this forum which is defined by its lack 
of definition.  Down here in Charlottesville we say, "Its your 
theatre, make it what you want."

Or, as Evil Scott Smith once said on TV--"it might be boring but 
it ain't dull."

Now that I'm all growed up and have started No Shame in Virginia, 
and am working on getting new no shame cells started up in other 
locations, I put it to you, active ones, what about a national No 
Shame convention one of these days?  Hold it in Iowa City--get 
the brass at the university to kick in some dough, and bring 
veteran no shamers together for a week of performances, 
workshops, etc.

Would there be any interest in that?  If so I am willing to pitch 
it to the UI theatre department and maybe we can actually get 
some arts funding for it.

If Iowa ain't proud of No Shame, it dang well otter be!

Just an idee.

Toddler

Time: Thu, 01-Nov-2001 21:32:09 GMT     IP: 63.24.13.161

I think that would be great to have a No Shame Convention or 
something like that.  I personally would like to visit the Iowa 
City noshame, as it sounds like it something that any true 
noshamer must experience.  As for this Friday, i am looking 
forward to seeing some new stuff from those "inspired" by the 
last NST.  By the way, whoever put up the signs in Rediker.... 
simply BRYLIANT!  It caught my eye and I had to read on more.
Let it be,
Josh

Time: Thu, 01-Nov-2001 21:33:26 GMT     IP: 24.149.21.150

I think the idea of a national No Shame forum would be totally 
kick-ass. I also think I'm going to try and get No Shame theater 
started wherever I got to law school next year... 

Thanks Todd for helping get this started in the beginning

Time: Fri, 02-Nov-2001 01:51:21 GMT     IP: 134.161.228.149

no, it wasn't slander.  and yes, it absolutely belonged--no shame 
means no shame means no shame.

can i add, though, that your piece made me sad?  because you used 
your ex's name, because you exposed exactly only the truth, 
because you imagined none of the creepy (my own word, dig?) 
things you told us about jim's penis, you got to stand up in 
front of a room of people and be heard.

lucky you.

Time: Fri, 02-Nov-2001 03:47:51 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

The message board certainly has been active. The national 
No Shame idea has me more excited than a dog in a fire 
hydrant warehouse. I'm first in line to sign up. Secondly, I, like 
Josh, sadly have never been to an Iowa City No Shame. 
Maybe we could organize a little caravan down on one of our 
"off" fridays. I think it'd be fun...good company, good show, 
great time.
Woz
P.S. I put those signs up in Redeker...thanks for noticing big 
guy!

Time: Fri, 02-Nov-2001 15:30:59 GMT     IP: 64.12.101.151

Ok, I think the next step in the process is to start cross 
pollenating with other No Shame message boards.  Go to other no 
shame sites, ask questions, make comments, start discussing a 
national convention in the abstract, what it might do for each of 
the no shames, why it would be neat, and what you think you and 
each of your no shames would get out of it.

I think a "starting up a no shame" workshop is a definite thing 
to have during this weeklong shamelessness, as well as it 
culminating with the regular Friday No Shame in Iowa City--with 
Best Of No Shame showcases from each of the other participating 
No Shames on M-th.  Of course, all this is contingent on UofI 
deciding this is something they would support, but how 
embarrassing would it be if the NNSC was held in the rented 
Riverside Theatre space?

Let's shamelessly start stirring up the interest, so we can 
demonstrate that its there when we make the pitch--and also, 
since No Shame has been going for 15+ years, we have lots of 
famous alums (some who have had West End shows, been in tv and 
movies, and won emmy's for example--even no shame characters like 
Artie Strongest Man in the World have wound up as recurring 
characters on tv) we really ought to use this fantastic 
brotherhood of no shamers as a means of networking.  To do so 
effectively means we gotta meet each other once in a while, right?

Again, just an idea.

Todd the troublesome thorn

Time: Sat, 03-Nov-2001 05:44:41 GMT     IP: 134.161.72.57

Hey everyone, Jeff Johnson here.  I just got back from NST, 
where I performed two pieces: The Moon and I, or I Know the End 
Doesn't Rhyme, Dammit!; and Odds are, or Logic Suggests, or What 
This HomoSapien Finds Funny.  Seriously, don't laugh.  I would 
really enjoy feedback from you all, and if you treat me real 
nice, I might just make this NST performing stuff a habit.  As 
for me, I liked the How-to-No Shame instructional piece, 
(although I haven't decided which one yet) Q's song about the 
dude with no feet, Pete's kicking ass-ness, and anything with 
Goodrich.  Although I gotta tell ya, seeing him with his shirt 
off does get old.  I'm not sure if I'm glad about me not being 
the only one to mention the penis thing, or if I'm 
disappointed.  Just so y'all know, I did share the jist of my 
piece with Erica before performing it, and she thought it was 
funny, so there.  Yeah.  On a closing note, Laaaaa.  I mean, I 
really thought the audience needs a round of applause, because 
they seemed to respond to what I did, and I didn't think they 
would at all, so thanks to all that enjoyed me.  And to the 
others, you know who you are, and you'll get yours.  But I want 
feedback.  I think I mentioned that.  Bye.
Jeff Johnson

Time: Sat, 03-Nov-2001 16:03:28 GMT     IP: 134.161.75.56

Last night was my first taste of NO SHAME and you all have made 
me a huge fan!  I think the cast and croud was great. I am 
planning to attend then next and the next and the next and the 
next and the............well you get it!

Time: Sat, 03-Nov-2001 23:10:12 GMT     IP: 24.149.21.150

OK... so we moved to the CAC. Supposedly this seats 102 people, 
not counting the aisles. We had people in the aisles already, 
which is good... but: What happens if No Shame contuinues to grow 
in popularity? What happens for Best Of? Do we need a bigger 
room? Do we need to charge admission like Iowa City (I say not 
yet)? Just some random thoughts. I liked the performance area 
much better, as well as the proximity to the audience. Oh well... 
I guess there is no perfect location. 

Time: Sun, 04-Nov-2001 00:16:35 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

1. Scrambled Eggs For a Gorilla, or Gross! There's a Gorilla in 
my Scrambled Eggs--by Luke Pingel and Josh Goodrich
(Luke P., Josh G., and Jon Cochrane)

2. The Moon and I, or I Know the End Doesn't Rhyme Dammit--by 
Jeff Johnson (Jeff J.)

3. True Love, Lobsters, and a Bear--by Howard Zimmerle
(Howard Z., Jesse W., Jeff Dorothy, and ?)

4. Untitled--by Pete Feltman (Pete F)

5. How to Write a No Shame Play--by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W. and 
Howard Z.)

6. The Little Titanic--by Jeff Lehnhart (Jeff L)

7. The Church Joke--by Matt Brehms (Matt B., Howard Z., and Matt 
Wagner)

8. Stump Leg Man--by Q (Q, Pete Feltman)

9. Domino's Pizza Challenge--by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)

10. Odds Are, or Logic Suggests, or What This Homo Sapien Finds 
Funny--by Jeff Johnson (Jeff J, Luke P)

11. God Bless America--by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)

12. The One I Love--by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)

13. Daddy Lives On--by Luke Pingel (Luke P)

Time: Sun, 04-Nov-2001 01:19:01 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

:1. Scrambled Eggs For a Gorilla, or Gross! There's a Gorilla in 
:
my Scrambled Eggs--by Luke Pingel and Josh Goodrich
:
(Luke P., Josh G., and Jon Cochrane)

I don't like reviewing stuff I helped write. It makes me feel 
weird, like a girl without ovaries

2. The Moon and I, or I Know the End Doesn't Rhyme Dammit--by 
:
Jeff Johnson (Jeff J.)

The end DID rhyme!! Consider all of us tricked!! I wouldnt mind 
being enlightned on the choice of title, liar liar, pants on fire.

3. True Love, Lobsters, and a Bear--by Howard Zimmerle
:
(Howard Z., Jesse W., Jeff Dorothy, and ?)
Nice work, very funny. Even though Goodrich and I made fun of 
Howard and woz a bit in the first piece, I must say that there is 
a definite evolution in Howard's writing. 


4. Untitled--by Pete Feltman (Pete F)

This might be my favorite Pete Feltman song. You guys missed a 
rocking show at the Vibe last weekend too. 

5. How to Write a No Shame Play--by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W. and 
:
Howard Z.)

You know, so there were two pieces in the same night about almost 
exactly the same thing. They really werent as similar as i had 
feared they would be. The only criticism I had with this piece is 
that the Jay and Silent Bob parody part might have stretched a 
bit too long. It started to feel like that was the axis of the 
piece, even though it really wasnt. 

6. The Little Titanic--by Jeff Lehnhart (Jeff L)

You know, if we had a rookie of the semester award, I dont know 
who the fuck I would give it to! This was so funny I thought I 
would pee! I did pee, but after the show. "Thanks for nothing, 
life savers." priceless. please keep coming back, Jeff.

7. The Church Joke--by Matt Brehms (Matt B., Howard Z., and Matt 
:
Wagner)

Moderately funny, I'm trying to figure out what my problem with 
this one is. I guess I feel like anyone can come up and tell one 
joke. Was this original? It didnt feel like it. 

8. Stump Leg Man--by Q (Q, Pete Feltman)

Funny stuff. Such a dumb song, but that was the point. Q's puke 
bucket made it especially funny. I think its a good idea to get 
the audience involved whenever possible. 

9. Domino's Pizza Challenge--by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)

Ok, so you didnt finish the pizza in 2 minutes. People go to no 
shame to see daring acts done with gusto. And this is something 
people are going to be talking about for a long time. Here is 
exactly what was cool: It wasnt just watching Josh eating pizza 
as fast as he could. He actually built the suspense...praying... 
ripping off his shirt...it was performance art at its most 
shameless. it had a beginning, middle and end. fabelhof, so the 
germans say (i think)

10. Odds Are, or Logic Suggests, or What This Homo Sapien Finds 
:
Funny--by Jeff Johnson (Jeff J, Luke P)

First of all I felt like a jackass for stuttering on my one line. 
(t-t-time!) This was very funny...perhaps it could have been even 
funnier. I think I just had in mind a different twist or 
something, like random statistics that had nothing to with his 
friends, OR perhaps if he had made the delivery less animated and 
more boring professor-like, it could have made it even 
funnier. "Dont laugh, that wasnt funny" I dont know, maybe that 
would have wrecked it. Just bashing ideas around. It still made 
me laugh at the absurdity of the idea. keep coming back.

11. God Bless America--by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)

This worked very very well. I think sometimes the audience looks 
at wozniak's pieces like "why did he write that?" as in they dont 
get his intent with his past political pieces. however, this was 
totally cool because the crowd got to see what makes jesse tick 
when he does do (sometimes brutal) satires on politics. I dug 
this a lot.

12. The One I Love--by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)

heartwarming piece, but it was so hard not to laugh after the 
pizza challenge. i was chewing my face not to bust out during the 
serious moments.

13. Daddy Lives On--by Luke Pingel (Luke P)

i will leave it up to you to review this one...it would make me 
feel like a grandmother trying to wipe her own ass, when there is 
an orderly getting paid good money to do it.

great show this week everyone!!! 

Luke

Time: Sun, 04-Nov-2001 01:39:45 GMT     IP: 134.161.72.57

to clarify, the last stanza of The Moon and I, or I know the End 
Doesn't Rhyme Dammit, is as follows...

The moon and I are brothers
The moon and I are pals
The man in the moon is smiling
Wish I could figure how

Now either my Iowanian accent made the 2nd and 4th lines rhyme, 
or there just close enough that people think that it rhymed.  I 
admit, their close, but they don't fit my definition of rhyme, 
dammit.  Dammits are funny.

Jeff Johnson

Time: Sun, 04-Nov-2001 03:57:29 GMT     IP: 134.161.67.50

It must have been the iowanian accent.  When you were done I 
leaned over to luke and said the a the end did rhyme.  My poet 
ears must be corrupted by verse that rhymes in abstract ways so I 
just thought that it rhymed when really it did not yet it still 
had a rhythem in which it all panned out in the end and then it 
ended up rhyming but not in the true sense of the word rhyme but 
more in the sylvia plath tibeten monk sense of the word I know 
were all dieing but instead of just rhyming it ended up 
blanking.  I just won the contest for worlds longest pointless 
runon.  woohoo.  It was a nice poem, yet you lacked the 
enthusiasm that I think good poets need when projecting their 
poem.  
amem
pete 

Time: Sun, 04-Nov-2001 06:25:05 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

this first part mainly pertains to the board members. before the 
show last night, jascenna from the theatre dept came and told me 
there were some complaints from the dorms about putting up no 
shame signs without permission. i was moderately amused that the 
department got blamed for our lack of respect, but from now on,
(at least in the dorms) lets get stamps from the DOR. 
personally, i dont know what the big damn deal is, or even why 
they have to stamp them. does anybody know the reasoning behind 
this strange rule? 

also to jeff: i totally feel like a boner for hearing that line 
wrong. i dont even remember what i thought you said, but you may 
totally disregard my statement. 

Luke

Time: Sun, 04-Nov-2001 19:11:12 GMT     IP: 24.149.21.150

::1. Scrambled Eggs For a Gorilla, or Gross! There's a Gorilla in 
::
:my Scrambled Eggs--by Luke Pingel and Josh Goodrich
Good title first off... I liked the satires of former no shame 
plays, but I think you had to have been a regular last year for 
some of the jokes to have made sense. I will say once again that I 
don't think I ever swore just for shock value or used a racial 
slur in a way other than to make fun of people who use them.
:2. The Moon and I, or I Know the End Doesn't Rhyme Dammit--by 
::
:Jeff Johnson (Jeff J.)
This was a pretty good poem, but I agree with Luke that it could 
have been cool if Jeff had been a little more animated.
:
:3. True Love, Lobsters, and a Bear--by Howard Zimmerle
This is a condensed version of a much longer piece I had written 
in my head. Oh, by the way, the girl was Becca Wagoner (trivia 
question: she was the sister of Matt Wagoner who showed up in the 
church skit) and I think she did a great job in her No Shame 
debut, as did Jeff Dorothy. Spitting Tic-Tacs is fun :-)
:4. Untitled--by Pete Feltman (Pete F)
Somewhere along the line, Pete became a helluva singer and 
songwriter. Don't know when that happened exactly, but I think he 
is pretty damned good now, and if he gets much better we'll 
probably be touring with Dave Mathews or something.
:5. How to Write a No Shame Play--by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W. and 
It's kind of wierd to go from Woz and I writing all of our plays 
collectively to us writing them seperately. I think this shows the 
differences in our senses of humor, and by the end of the semester 
you could probably go back through our old works and guess who 
wrote what jokes. Anyway, I thought this was pretty funny, but the 
Jay and Silent Bob thing did drag on for too long. Plus it gave me 
yet another chance to run through the audience sans coullattes.
:6. The Little Titanic--by Jeff Lehnhart (Jeff L)
This was so good I began to doubt its originality. The button 
thing and the lifesavers thing were awesome. Props on memorization 
too.
:7. The Church Joke--by Matt Brehms (Matt B., Howard Z., and Matt 
Truth be told, I didn't really like this. It wasn't original, and 
it was too obvious. On the bright side, it was short and made the 
audience laugh. Can't be all bad. Did anyone else notice that this 
No Shame marked the debuts of exactly 7 actors here or there? 
Cool.
:8. Stump Leg Man--by Q (Q, Pete Feltman)
I didn't think this was that funny, but it did provide some good 
audience participation, which keeps people from getting 
complacent, and I like that.
:9. Domino's Pizza Challenge--by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)
Anymore, I live performance pieces, and this one has to be among 
the best. Gotta love this man, and you also gotta love the way his 
little offhand comments are so funny. Love it... that's an order! 
LOVE IT DAMMIT!! Jeff J was right... dammits are funny.
:10. Odds Are, or Logic Suggests, or What This Homo Sapien Finds 
::
:Funny--by Jeff Johnson (Jeff J, Luke P)
That was funny. What was even funnier was the guy sitting next to 
me who was puzzled and asking "When's it supposed to be funny??" I 
didn't think that the running joke was too cerebral for anyone, 
but hey, I guess I'm wrong.
:11. God Bless America--by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)
Damn this pissed people off. People are talking about this, which 
makes it a success. I liked the wordplay and the delivery, much 
like Katie FS... I also think he made a number of good points. 
However, many of his points were ignorant and forgot about the 
underlying reasons for some things...
:12. The One I Love--by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)
I liked this... it was serious but still funny in parts. Nice 
work.
:13. Daddy Lives On--by Luke Pingel (Luke P)
So let me get this straight... the skit was about a nine year old 
boy who thought that a dildo was actually his cremated father. 
Fucked up, but in a cool way. It was nice to see some comedy 
pieces from Luke for a change... it seems like he's been doing a 
lot of serious plays lately.

Good show, and way to pop the CAC's cherry!
Howard

Time: Sun, 04-Nov-2001 20:41:50 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

People said they wanted feedback, and they're getting it in 
spades. I just thought I'd toss my two cents in the bucket

1. Scrambled Eggs For a Gorilla, or Gross! There's a Gorilla 
in  my Scrambled Eggs--by Luke Pingel and Josh Goodrich
I felt kind of dumb doing my play after this one, since it was 
pretty much the same thing...great minds think alike I 
suppose, though I did feel personally attacked by the little 
barb about Howard and I, since, as he pointed out, we never 
use swearing for shock value and we're trying to satirize 
those who do have prejudiced views

2. The Moon and I, or I Know the End Doesn't Rhyme 
Dammit
This was good

3. True Love, Lobsters, and a Bear--by Howard Zimmerle
I like Howard's more serious, introspective writings, so I 
thought this one was pretty good. It was 
semi-autobiographical, though, so I think I got it on a level 
most of the audience probably didn't

4. Untitled--by Pete Feltman (Pete F)
Pete keeps on rocking. Were does this stuff come from, and 
were can I get some

5. How to Write a No Shame Play--by Jesse Wozniak 
This would've been better a different week. I agree the Jay 
and Silent bob thing went on too long, but that's just one of 
those things you don't realize 'till you're up there doing and 
it's a little too late to fix

6. The Little Titanic--by Jeff Lehnhart (Jeff L)
This was great! I hope he keeps writing and keeps coming 
back. Wow, this was good!

7. The Church Joke--by Matt Brehms
Cute little gag, I suppose. It's nice to see more involved

8. Stump Leg Man--by Q
Interesting song, not too funny, but interesting

9. Domino's Pizza Challenge--by Josh Goodrich
I think I said it there, but I don't use the term "American Hero" 
very often, but this man truly is

10. Odds Are, or Logic Suggests, or What This Homo 
Sapien Finds Funny
I liked the idea, but I agree that the delivery could be 
changed to be more funny

11. God Bless America--by Jesse Wozniak
I think this is the first time I've really put myself out on a 
ledge for No Shame, and I'm really glad I've gotten some 
good feedback. I've got some more poetry/raps that I think I 
might do at future No Shames

12. The One I Love--by Josh Goodrich
I'm with Luke that this was hard no to laugh through after the 
pizza thing. Plus, I had just the title and last line on the little 
order sheet, and I thought it was going to be a serious play 
about a girl he loves, and then at the end be funny because 
it turns out he's romantically interested in his sister, so I 
was laughing in anticipation of an entirely different play. 
Sorry.

13. Daddy Lives On--by Luke Pingel
This was great. The only thing I wanted was to see Luke 
kiss is, but we can't all have what we want. Genius idea, 
though

Time: Mon, 05-Nov-2001 03:26:27 GMT     IP: 134.161.106.129

Hi everyone! I would just like to say that even though I have 
only been to about 7 or 8 shows, I felt that last Friday's was 
the best yet for me. 

First off, I would like to apologize to Howard and Jesse for the 
sake of keeping their name clean. Yes, you guys purely use your 
humor to make fun of those who do dumb things such as 
racism,etc. Luke and I never ever meant to portray your humor in 
anyway relating to such acts. Once again, on our behalf, I 
apologize. 

Second off, all debuts were great! Titantic guy, Jeff Johnson, 
The Wagoners, and more made their present felt. No doubt about 
it, NST will be big next time and for now on which leads me to 

CAC WILL BE TOO SMALL NOT TOO LONG FROM NOW.

Time: Mon, 05-Nov-2001 18:51:47 GMT     IP: 134.161.105.151

about the CAC,

there were both pros and cons to our new space. the bad thing was 
that there are just not enough seats for everyone to sit. 
counting the loose ones in the back row, there are 104 seats in 
the room. our attendance has been very consistent this year, 
between 120 and 130 every week so far. jesus, i remember weeks 
where there were 30-40 people there! so few seats=bad.

however, unlike our old areas, this room was far superior in 
terms of the proximity to the audience, room to move around 
onstage, and the use of lights (as elementary as they were).

personally, i think this is our best bet for a space. what do we 
do as it grows and more and more people show up? keep crammin em 
in. we could have ushers try and get people to sit up in front of 
the front row. weve got plenty of floor space to use still. plus 
where else are we going to go?

Time: Mon, 05-Nov-2001 19:10:51 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

I think Luke is right that the CAC is a nice space. It is good 
about proximity to the audience, and yes, there is plenty of 
space to perform. However, we already have the place past 
capacity. Ergo, if we ever want to keep growing we're going to 
have to find some inventive ways to fi more people in there. 
The only thing I'm afraid of is that people might to start not 
coming if they always have to stand and/or sit in the aisles. 
But then, like Luke said, where else are we going to go? 
Anyone out there have any good ideas for another good 
space that could fit about 50 more people? That would be the 
ideal size. Any suggestions? Let's hear 'em

Time: Mon, 05-Nov-2001 21:44:28 GMT     IP: 24.4.252.116

We could have it in the UNI-Dome...just joking. How about 
Strayer-Wood Theatre? Seats 500 people, comfy seats, lighting 
available. I am sure if I talked to the head of the department, 
we could figure something out. Tell me what you think.

Goodrich

Time: Mon, 05-Nov-2001 21:56:26 GMT     IP: 152.163.195.202

What a wonderful problem you folks have!

Before you find a new space, make sure that you get at least one 
local paper there to do a review and take lots of pictures of a 
line and you turning people away.

That is golden.

When we started with the truck in Iowa City, we had around 30 
people who would stand in the parking lot in rain and watch.

Growth was not super fast when we moved inside, but what a 
wonderful thing it was to have lines forming up at 9:00 to get in 
at 11:00 and people being turned away because we just couldn't 
push the fire codes any further.  It was easier before they put 
actual seats in theate B, but there you go.

If you think you can sustain growth, yes, get into a new space, 
but make sure you document capacity crowds in the old space 
before you do--if people think its a treat to get in, that's 
gravy.  Sounds like the CAC is a good space for now--enjoy it.  
Large spaces do mean its harder to connect with the audience and 
a what is a good house in this space may seem really small in a 
larger one.

Todd

Time: Mon, 05-Nov-2001 23:58:59 GMT     IP: 134.161.67.50

If we were to move over to the theatre I think that the BMT would 
be a much better bet.  I'm not sure what it fits but I think that 
it would be about 150-200.  I think that stayer wood stage would 
be too much though.  Also if shows are in process of going up 
theres most likely not much chance of us getting to use the 
space.  

pet

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 00:07:44 GMT     IP: 134.161.140.168

Hi No Shamers. My name for this board is Chuck. I recently have 
seen the past couple of no shames and have been impressed for 
the most part. You have a wonderful blend ranging from dramatic 
stuff such as musical acts and poetry to the pizza eating 
contest which was disgusting but admirable and fun to watch to 
bizarre and weird humor such as the dildo sketch. 

However, here is my problem. A few acts I have seen in the past 
couple No shame events have NOT been original work. I think at 
the first no shame two guys did a skit about a monkey. I did not 
know this at the time, but my friend later told me that was from 
Space Ghost. I know that the scene with the stalker a couple 
weeks was actually an idea taken from the book Chicken Poop for 
the soul. Just adapted slightly. And last week, the church skit 
was not original for I have heard that same joke numerous times 
in years past. However, this time, once again, it was slightly 
adapted. 

I don't want to draw a line of attack on these participants or 
No Shame theatre, but the way I understand it is that there is a 
only a couple of rules and the big one is only original work. 

Once again I don't want to start anything. This was just 
something I felt needed to be said. I will see you at the next 
No shame theatre. Please feel free to post a response if you 
wish. 

Respectfully, 
Chuck

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 01:12:16 GMT     IP: 134.161.105.137

One problem that we ran into was the fact that many spaces require 
a faculty advisor... we decided last year that we didn't want to 
have one, but maybe we will need to get one. I don't know.

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 01:12:16 GMT     IP: 134.161.105.137

One problem that we ran into was the fact that many spaces require 
a faculty advisor... we decided last year that we didn't want to 
have one, but maybe we will need to get one. I don't know.

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 01:13:54 GMT     IP: 134.161.105.137

One problem that we ran into was the fact that many spaces require 
a faculty advisor... we decided last year that we didn't want to 
have one, but maybe we will need to get one. I don't know.

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 03:41:19 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

I think "Chucky" has a good point. For me, I know every once 
in a while I'll adapt a good idea, but I really try to never make 
my whole skit ripped off, because that is just not cool. Even if 
someone rips someone off and credits them, it still not good, 
because we then just get a bunch of people doing covers, 
which is not the point of No Shame. Good call, Chucky.
P.S. Why don't you use your real name?

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 17:00:01 GMT     IP: 134.161.106.97

first and foremost, im going to say that im sick of anonymous 
notes. nobodys going to blame you for speaking your mind. that's 
what this site is here for. that pisses off those of us who do 
sign our names to our opinions.

now whoever wrote this does have a point. the ripping off 
material has got to end. i think there was a point in time where 
some people might have been confused about the original material 
rule (i dont know how), but that confusion should be cleared up 
by now. what to do about perpetrators will require some thought.

and about the talk of BMT/strayer-wood...last fall when neil and 
i were getting no shame started, the BMT was the number one space 
on our list. we were flatly denied on that on the grounds that 
there are many shows held in there, with many set pieces left in 
there as well. we didnt check on strayer-wood, but logic says 
that that space would have the same problem. I am hopeful that 
strayer-wood might be a possibility for Best Of, however, since 
that will draw the biggest crowd.

keep the ideas flowin

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 17:28:57 GMT     IP: 134.161.136.15

Discussion on CAC:

Luke and I are the only two people who have experience with Iowa 
City No Shame that I know of.  
Todd Ristau recently published a message and he has lots.  
When I go to Iowa City no shame, you need to get there at least 
30 mins early usually to get a seat.  That's awesome.  People 
think they are getting something special when they see tons of 
other people trying to all get to see the same show.  
i know this because that's how I feel and that's what I love 
about no shame - people who desperately want to come and see 
other people be creative and entertaining.  

Admittedly I would prefer the black box (BMT) as a permanent home 
but we've tried that but if anybody has serious connections in 
the theatre department go at it.  

Also totally agree that we should try for BONS in Strayer Wood.

And suggest trying some of the stuff Todd mentioned in his 
email....Get ready for some hot shit on the 16th.

Neil

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 21:00:22 GMT     IP: 134.161.140.168

Hi No Shamers. I would just like to explain a few things. First 
of all, thank you "Woz" for your insight on my thoughts. 

Second of all, I am sorry Luke that I have not disclosed my true 
identity. However, this is my choice. No has ever asked you to 
disclose any of your names and they never expected you to 
either. That was a choice you made much like mine. Besides 
having the right to privacy, I also know personally a few of the 
regular no shame performers. Disclosing my true identity may 
make them feel a different way about me. 

Like I said, I did not want to start anything obnoxious like 
some "observer". I just wanted to speak my mind without getting 
hurt. I love No shame and all of the performers and really hope 
you keep up the good work. If you truly want to know who I am 
and feel it is a necessary, than Luke just say it in a response 
and I will contact you one way or another.

By the way, I saw you were all talking about spaces. What is 
wrong with Kamerick? Let me know whenever you get a chance.

Respectfully, 
Chucky 

Time: Tue, 06-Nov-2001 23:27:43 GMT     IP: 24.149.21.150

Hey Chucky... got a rubber? (proper response: I'm all rubber!)

Sorry if you didn't get my reference... anyway here is my beef 
with Kamerick:
1. Small performance area
2. No lights
3. People have no idea where the hell Kamerick is

Time: Wed, 07-Nov-2001 14:32:11 GMT     IP: 64.12.104.182

Yup--and in case nobody has thought of it, there are real 
liability issues involved.

When No Shame started in Iowa City it wasn't because there were a 
lot of undergrad writers dying to write for the stage, there were 
a lot of undergrad actors ticked off that the graduate 
playwrights weren't doing Midnight Madness anymore and so they 
didnt' have a chance to get stage experience without auditions 
anwyhere anymore.  Their clucking about the lost acting 
opportunities got me and Stan Ruth clucking about how if they 
were that ticked off why didn't they write their own dang pieces, 
and from that and a bottle of Jack Daniels came my truck.

We insisted on original pieces because even at that young age we 
knew that if we were running the theatre we would be the ones in 
trouble if somebody sued for a copyright infringement or for any 
royalties due.

When we moved inside the UI theatre building it was even more 
important because it was even more likely that someone would sue 
the university than two drunks with a truck.

You folks need to be vigiliant about this issue.  Its not just 
important because the forum is built around original work, its 
important because there are actual legal issues involved.

I mean, we do have copyright notices on the No Shame script 
libraries at this website--don't the people who are being ripped 
off have the same right to protection?

Todd

Time: Wed, 07-Nov-2001 18:34:52 GMT     IP: 24.4.252.116

Hey Neil what is your e-mail address or phone number? I just 
have a quick question to ask you. 

Thanks, Josh Goodrich

Time: Fri, 09-Nov-2001 22:04:58 GMT     IP: 198.214.101.119

Hello fellow No Shamers,

I'm taking Grampa Todd's advice and checking the other boards 
(actually have been for a while before his advice, but I haven't 
posted much). I'm a veteran of Iowa City's No Shame (1990-1994, 
and I was on the board in '93 and '94) and have just started a 
No Shame in Austin, Texas. We've had a pretty successful run 
thus far, but we've taken a break for a few months for a couple 
of reasons. One, we had sort of run out of momentum as far as 
attracting performers, and two I'm committed to several projects 
in the next few months that were interfering with my ability to 
continue to rouse the troops and bang the drum and insert other 
motivational metaphor here.

We've been having a lot of discussion on the Austin message 
board recently about the direction No Shame will take when we 
resume in January. I'd love to hear what you compatriot No 
Shamers think and would love to hear advice on how to make No 
Shame as kick ass as it always should be.

PS-If any of you happen to be on the RAT theater list, one of 
Austin No Shame's brightest lights, Ratgirl, has just set off a 
veritable conflagration of theater related discussion. Tune in 
here: http://lists.whirl-i-gig.com/mailman/listinfo/rat-list

Time: Mon, 12-Nov-2001 21:33:30 GMT     IP: 134.161.239.41

Hi everyone! I'm just getting ready for another NST this Friday. 
I went ahead and got the electronic signboards on the UNI-Dome, 
the two at the union, and the bookstore to advertise No Shame 
this Friday. In addition, I have the UNI website advertising as 
well. Should be a good show. Later everyone!!!
 
Goodrich

Time: Mon, 12-Nov-2001 21:40:36 GMT     IP: 134.161.72.57

you are a publicizin' machine, brotha.

Time: Mon, 12-Nov-2001 22:10:55 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

yeah, man! this week is going to be totally happening. i 
seriously appreciate you doing that. i wonder if we are going to 
have to turn people away now...so everyone who reads this, be 
sure to start showing up early! with this much publicity, dont be 
the one to get turned back. but at least our dedicated board room 
visitors now have the advantage of knowing that.

Luke

Time: Mon, 12-Nov-2001 22:13:05 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

Is NVG going to be in the house this Friday? It just aint the 
same without him.

Time: Mon, 12-Nov-2001 22:25:08 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

Luke made a good point, where the hell is Neil? He hasn't 
been around for way too long. It always make it a beter show 
when we have one more quality play in the mix. Neil, if you're 
reading this, where are you and why aren't you at No Shame?

Time: Tue, 13-Nov-2001 00:40:16 GMT     IP: 134.161.140.168

I'm playing at the Reverb tomorrow night at ten pm.  I'll be 
doing a 20-30 minute set so I figure that will be about 4-5 
songs.  Most likely some of the ones that have gotten such 
positive feed back from the No Shame crowd, and I did some 
writing last saturday so I may test drive some new material.  
Anyway, come support your local indie musician.  A cookie to the 
first 5 people that come in the door.  

pete

Time: Tue, 13-Nov-2001 05:14:17 GMT     IP: 24.11.44.3

Hello everyone once again! Pete, I wish you the very best with 
your performance. Unfortunately, I can't make it due to prior 
obligations. Make sure you all check Pete's gig which will be 
nothing short of awesome.

This weekend is also the CFWA show. I am writing this message 
with the knowledge that probably none of you will show up to 
this weekend's CFWA show. The thing is if I didn't advertise it, 
then I would not be doing my job as the head publicist for the 
federation and not to mention my job as a loyal, passionate fan 
of the art. 

So this Friday and Saturday night at 8 p.m. in the East Gym 214 
with free admission you can see the CFWA's NO REMORSE!!!!!!!!

Later everyone and have a great day!

GOODRICH

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 05:47:03 GMT     IP: 134.161.104.190

I was able to attend a production of NO Shame theater on November 
16. I have to say its the worst thing I have ever seen. The three 
main themes seemed to be sex, beer, and weed. Come on not all 
college students do these things nor want to hear about them in 
profain ways from their peers. So clean up your acts and act like 
the adults you should be! NO Shame is full of so much shame!

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 17:17:16 GMT     IP: 24.4.252.116

Wow! I just finished reading "Ellie's" comments and I have to 
say that while I sincerely appreciate her expressing her 
opinion, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. Yes some of the acts may 
be over the top and explicit, but hence the name NO SHAME 
Theatre. I feel this is an open forum for ANYBODY to express and 
experiment with their work. 

Good Work all and thanks Ellie for your comments. I am sure this 
is what the No Shame Artists were looking for. 

Chucky

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 18:28:37 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

I have to agree with Chucky on this one. In fact I don't 
remember anything about weed, so there's goes on of her 
arguments. Besides, I can think of only about three or four 
out of fifteen skits that had anything to do with alcohol or sex, 
so that's really not that much. I don't know what prompted 
these comments, but all I can say is, come back another 
time and see if it's gotten any better

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 19:05:15 GMT     IP: 134.161.104.182

I agree that No Shame is a place to express your opinon and 
showcase your art, but some things should not be shown to the 
whol public. The act by Howie in a bar last night was over the 
top. It was degrading to women and sorry, but real men don't act 
like those two do. I believe that No Shame skits should be 
reviewed and edited beforehand by the directors. Like that skit 
in October by Erica some things should not be said in public! No 
Shame is great, but could lose some of the profanity because not 
everyone goes for that.

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 19:07:36 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

Wow, Elie, you're entitled to your opinion, I guess, but I feel 
like either you weren't at the same show I was, or that you 
really weren't paying attention. Looking through the order from 
last night, I found exactly three pieces out of 15 that dealt 
with any of the "main themes" you mentioned. In reality, we had 
one of the widest range of material presented over the course of 
one night that I believe has ever happened at No Shame. We had 
two great fiction readings (Grant and Ron), several poetry pieces
(Katie, Elysia, Jesse, and myself), over the top comedy (Jeff, 
Neil), stand up comedy(Josh F)...need I say more?

also, about the "act like adults" comment...why? this is a place 
to have fun and be silly, while attempting to be new and 
creative. if that is not your thing, then i am sure that someone 
who appreciates the hard work put into the performance would be 
more than happy to use your seat at the next show, 

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 19:46:43 GMT     IP: 24.149.21.150

OK... I would first like to thank everyone who has tried to put 
some kind of constructive criticism on here. However, I want to 
assert that my play was only meant to mock people who try to go to 
bars and hit on girls in such chauvinistic ways. Remember the 
title: How Not to Get Laid. If anyone knows Mike and I, they know 
that we would never treat women like that and have little to no 
respect for the assholes that do. 

That said, I think the best thing about No Shame is that the 
"directors" don't review things beforehand. People can try things 
out and take risks, and while no one will agree with or like every 
piece in the show, some people hopefully will. All I know is that 
we had an audience of about 140 and 15 performers. The vast 
majority of the audience enjoyed the whole thing, and I have no 
apologies for the content of my piece or any of the other pieces, 
including the penis one from a few weeks ago. I thought this was 
one of our best shows, and I love seeing the talent of these 
collegiate writers on display.
Love,
Howard

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 20:36:58 GMT     IP: 134.161.105.135

Being at No Shame is kind of like watching an armored car and a 
truck full of lollipops crash into each other. You're horrified, 
but you're also
hopeful that something wonderful is going to drop into your lap."
     --from Idat's website

We allow anybody to write what ever they think is acceptable with 
no limits on anybody's creativity.  
For Erin, I also don't agree with the content of a few pieces 
that were performed, but I would never censor -*ever*- someone 
else's piece that makes me uncomfortable or I find totally rude 
and offensive ( That's part of free speech).  Luke and I started 
NoShame with the goal of allowing writer's to experiment and 
allowing the audience to respond as they find fit to a piece. I 
like your response to Howard's piece - let him know as an 
audience member what you don't like, but I don't agree with 
censorship.  The qoute at the start of this email is absolutely 
appropriate.
 
What do I do when I see a piece I don't like either from boredom 
or just plain lack of creative thought?  I write pieces that I 
like that are funny so hopefully something wonderful drops into 
your lap.  

Neil

Time: Sat, 17-Nov-2001 23:52:52 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

Who were the other people in your "How Not to Get Laid" piece? 
I'm trying to post the order more completely than I have been.

Time: Sun, 18-Nov-2001 00:00:32 GMT     IP: 24.149.21.150

The other people were Mike Collet, Karissa Wikert, Kelly Swanson, 
Becca Wagoner, and Aubrey (??). 

Time: Sun, 18-Nov-2001 00:54:57 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

1. A Seduction- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W, Becca Wagoner)

2. 20,000 Snowballs- by Jeff Lenhart (Jeff L, Jesse W, and Luke 
Pingel)

3. Fresh Scents- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)

4. #20 and #21- by Katie Frederick-Schector (Katie F-S)

5. Harry Potter is a Tubby Bitch- by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)

6. How Not to Get Laid- by Howard Zimmerle (Howard Z, Becca W, 
Mike Collett, Karissa Wikert, Kelly Swanson, Aubrey ?)

7. Simply Josh- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)

8. Dragon Flies- by Grant Tracey (Grant T)

9. Hang Ten- by Ron Sandvig (Ron S)

10. Fortune Cookies- by Q and Aaron Konigsmark (Q and Aaron K)

11. Bittersweet- by Pete Feltman (Pete F and Aaron K)

12. 3 Poems- by Elysia Hansel (Elysia H)

13. Hail to the Thief- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)

14. The Greatest Treasure of the Whole Fair- by Neil Van Gorder
(NVG)

15. Blowin' Through the Changes, A Mime Like Me, To Frank O'Hara-
 by Luke Pingel (Luke P, Dave Oline, Paul Kresowik, Josh Johnson)

Time: Sun, 18-Nov-2001 07:10:01 GMT     IP: 134.161.78.83

:1. A Seduction- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W, Becca Wagoner)
I thought this was funny... the premise was ripped off from 
something in the onion, but the jokes were all his, and the music 
added to the comedic effect.
2. 20,000 Snowballs- by Jeff Lenhart (Jeff L, Jesse W, and Luke 
Jeff is a good writer, and I give him extra props for having this 
mostly memorized. This was thoroughly funny except for the 
ending, which kinda confused me. Maybe I was just distracted or 
something.
3. Fresh Scents- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
Good piece. I think it could have been shorter, but it was really 
nice to have something totally different in the show.
4. #20 and #21- by Katie Frederick-Schector (Katie F-S)
Katie is an excellent poet and she reads them well. 
5. Harry Potter is a Tubby Bitch- by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)
I hope his dates actually happened. Oh, and for the record, it's 
Maxim magazine, not Maximum. Good piece.
6. How Not to Get Laid- by Howard Zimmerle (Howard Z, Becca W, 
I don't really know what to say about this that I didn't say in 
the other post, other than the fact that I'm fucking sick of 
people who don't understand that I don't always play myself. Mike 
and I were playing CHARACTERS... 
7. Simply Josh- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
I thought his Redeker piece was excellent.
8. Dragon Flies- by Grant Tracey (Grant T)
Once again, it was nice to see something different to break 
things up. Excellent use of imagery, as well as the comparison 
between the dragonfly and the hockey player. The only problem was 
the fact that the short story medium isn't always conducive to No 
Shame. 
9. Hang Ten- by Ron Sandvig (Ron S)
I wish these two stories hadn't been back to back in the order. I 
thought this was an excellent story and concept.
10. Fortune Cookies- by Q and Aaron Konigsmark (Q and Aaron K)
Aaron K reminds me of Mike Cassady for some wierd reason, if 
anyone is either from Fort Dodge or goes to Iowa City No Shame so 
they know who the hell Mike Cassady is.
11. Bittersweet- by Pete Feltman (Pete F and Aaron K)
This was really short, but good once again.
12. 3 Poems- by Elysia Hansel (Elysia H)
I hope Elysia reads this, because for once I actually liked all 3 
of her poems. I think the rape one was the best because of the 
similies used.
13. Hail to the Thief- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)
Another leftist rant, but well done. 
14. The Greatest Treasure of the Whole Fair- by Neil Van Gorder
Neil always has the most unique plays... this one crossed some 
lines, but it was good nonetheless.
15. Blowin' Through the Changes, A Mime Like Me, To Frank O'Hara-
These were pretty good. The sax and drums really helped, and I 
enjoyed the mime one better after I realized that he wasn't 
talking about mimes.

Good show, and I appreciate all of those who went and those who 
are reading this right now.
Howard

Time: Sun, 18-Nov-2001 20:56:41 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

:1. A Seduction- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W, Becca 
Wagoner)
Reviewing my own work is like making out with my cousin; 
sure it's fun, but somehow you feel bad doing it


2. 20,000 Snowballs- by Jeff Lenhart (Jeff L, Jesse W, and 
Luke Pingel)
This guy needs to keep coming!!! He's done two great plays 
in a row. The only thing about this one is that you should 
probable think about either memorized or not memorized, 
because losing your spot slows things down considerably


3. Fresh Scents- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
This was very good. I liked the Redeker thing, too


4. #20 and #21- by Katie Frederick-Schector (Katie F-S)
As always, these were great. It was also nice to hear a funny 
one for once, as a sort of change of pace


5. Harry Potter is a Tubby Bitch- by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)
The title was funny, and the poem was pretty good. Josh is 
truly becoming another solid "redular" of No Shame


6. How Not to Get Laid- by Howard Zimmerle (Howard Z, 
Becca W, Mike Collett, Karissa Wikert, Kelly Swanson, Aubrey 
?)
Any one who was offended by this is an idiot. Look at the title. 
I loved it!


7. Simply Josh- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
Quality like usual.


8. Dragon Flies- by Grant Tracey (Grant T)
This was just great. I was glad to hear this. Excellently written 
and just all around impressive. I hope he comes back.


9. Hang Ten- by Ron Sandvig (Ron S)
Humorous and excellent. I agree that this might have been 
better not directly after Grant's, just because we've never 
really had anyone read short stories before, and then we 
suddenly had two in a row. None-the-less, it was great


10. Fortune Cookies- by Q and Aaron Konigsmark (Q and 
Aaron K)
I wasn't too impressed by Stump Leg man, but this was a 
great little play. Made me laugh


11. Bittersweet- by Pete Feltman (Pete F and Aaron K)
It was kind of confusing because I didn't grasp whether it 
was supposed to be funny or not, but it was an interesting 
song


12. 3 Poems- by Elysia Hansel (Elysia H)
These were all great. The rape poem was horrific, but in the 
good way. I was reaally impressed


13. Hail to the Thief- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)
I wrote this :)


14. The Greatest Treasure of the Whole Fair- by Neil Van 
Gorder
It was good to see Neil back and in full form! I loved it!


15. Blowin' Through the Changes, A Mime Like Me, To Frank 
O'Hara-
:
 by Luke Pingel (Luke P, Dave Oline, Paul Kresowik, Josh 
Johnson)
I was impressed with this beyond words. This alredy has my 
vote for best of. I believe this is one of the best acts I've ever 
seen at No Shame.

Overall, this was one of the best No Shame's ever. Everyone 
keep this quality up and we'll have to start turning people 
away.

Time: Mon, 19-Nov-2001 00:34:00 GMT     IP: 134.161.105.162

:1. A Seduction- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W, Becca Wagoner)
seemed a bit too close to smoove B for my taste, but had some 
funny lines. to my knowledge, the ending wasnt canned, which was a 
nice touch. funny that she rejected woz for howard.

:2. 20,000 Snowballs- by Jeff Lenhart (Jeff L, Jesse W, and Luke 
:Pingel)
yeah, i really like this guy. very funny writer, and hes so damn 
nice on top of it! his humor reminds me of british comedy shows, 
which is totally hip...cause its a completely different kind of a 
voice at these shows. about the memorization, it was a gallant 
effort, but it didnt seem like it was that big of a deal. we have 
a forgiving crowd, for the most part.


:3. Fresh Scents- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
i cant believe people really thought he was using actual febreeze! 
the reactions is what made this piece for me. 


:4. #20 and #21- by Katie Frederick-Schector (Katie F-S)
you know, whenever KT FS comes, I know its going to be a good 
night. i was also glad to see some more upbeat stuff from her, 
too. her piece about Mike Shelton nearly made me cry...he was my 
RA freshman year in the dorms. We miss you, Mike.


:5. Harry Potter is a Tubby Bitch- by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)
So Goodrich and Elysia are seriously going out on a date, 
everyone. Is that not completely fucking awesome? I say yes!


:6. How Not to Get Laid- by Howard Zimmerle (Howard Z, Becca W, 
:Mike Collett, Karissa Wikert, Kelly Swanson, Aubrey ?)
Well, there's at least two people that apparently will not be 
laying Howard. I guess to an extent I can understand that people 
didn't agree with the actions in this piece...but come on! Neither 
does Howard! Hence the name NO SHAME THEATRE, not NO SHAME 
REALITY. Does the world not understand that sometimes its fun to 
fuck with people? personally i think this would have been funnier 
with even more exaggeration of the idiot guy characters 
interacting, not necessarily more lewd, but more stupid sounding 
(in a witty way). was i coherent just now? im not sure myself.


:7. Simply Josh- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
this performance makes fitkin the front runner for comeback of the 
year. between the two of his pieces, i found him to be at the top 
of his game.

:8. Dragon Flies- by Grant Tracey (Grant T)
i was so happy that grant came! ive been talking to him about No 
Shame for awhile now, and i think this was great for members of 
the creative writing faculty to come and support this. really hope 
he comes back.

:9. Hang Ten- by Ron Sandvig (Ron S)
ditto on what i just said.  i got partially frustrated that a 
bunch of people came in the door during this, while i was standing 
at the "light booth" (hahahaha), so after pointing to them where 
they could sit, i missed half of this. I would recommend he post 
his script, but I'm pretty sure his work gets distributed by 
better sources than our little script board. man, i really want to 
read it!


:10. Fortune Cookies- by Q and Aaron Konigsmark (Q and Aaron K)
pretty witty. i wasnt sure that it was going anywhere until the 
end, but i was wrong. We should have a contest sometime where 
everyone writes a piece for Aaron to play a role with a German 
accent! anybody? shit, my ideas always suck.


:11. Bittersweet- by Pete Feltman (Pete F and Aaron K)
nice job, Pete. my understanding was that it was not a funny song 
until pete messed up, and made it funny. i don't care! i was 
entertained!


:12. 3 Poems- by Elysia Hansel (Elysia H)
you know, i will say right now why I love No Shame. Its not only 
about getting MY work out there, but i can also come and watch 
other writers who I really look up to. Elysia, Katie, Grant, and 
Ron all fit into this category. You blew me away tonight, girl. 

13. Hail to the Thief- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)
This was pretty cool. It was short and got his point across. I 
hadnt heard about anyone being upset by his last political poem, 
so I'm curious what other reactions were to this one. I dug.


:14. The Greatest Treasure of the Whole Fair- by Neil Van Gorder
:(NVG)
Totally insane humor. I liked this even better than Hans 
Zwedernander. There's already so much cool stuff that I'd like to 
see at Best Of, i cant believe weve still got 5 months until we 
have one.

15. Blowin' Through the Changes, A Mime Like Me, To Frank O'Hara-
: by Luke Pingel (Luke P, Dave Oline, Paul Kresowik, Josh Johnson)


Congrats on the best No Shame we've ever had, and to FINALLY 
filling up the order! This kind of show makes me never ever want 
to turn away a writer, but its probably coming to that point soon. 
see ya in two weeks!

Luke

Time: Mon, 19-Nov-2001 01:15:53 GMT     IP: 134.161.104.189

Last night was the first NO Shame I have ever been too and I 
absoulutley loved it! I will definataly be back! I have to give 
props to Elyshia and Katie your guy's poetry rocks! I wish I had 
the talent. And Jesse your Seduction was marvelous. Too bad she 
turned you down guy. Thanks to everyone who performed. I have to 
say it was about the funniest thing I have ever seen. I can't 
wait until the next show!
 A New Fan
  Jamie

Time: Mon, 19-Nov-2001 06:53:57 GMT     IP: 134.161.68.100

I've been a regular audience member at No Shame for nearly a 
year, and I must say, this Friday's performance was one of the 
best yet.  Perhaps in the future I will have the balls to do 
something of my own.

A word about the venue:  I wasn't too crazy about the change to 
the CAC in the beginning, but upon reflection, I've changed my 
mind.  I like the idea of the overflowing audience so much so 
that people have to sit in the front on the floor.  It could 
allow for No Shame "groundlings" who provide an interesting 
interaction with performers.

Here's my review of the evening, as encouraged by Luke:

:1. A Seduction- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W, Becca Wagoner)
I honestly didn't see the end of this one coming.  Some real good 
laughs.

:2. 20,000 Snowballs- by Jeff Lenhart (Jeff L, Jesse W, and Luke 
Pingel)
I liked Jeff's "Little Titanic" a bit better, but I can't say why 
because this was along the same style.  Losing his place in the 
script was a little distracting, so Jeff should decide whether to 
memorize or follow script entirely.  I suggest memorize; it's 
something about his delivery.

3. Fresh Scents- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
I saw the end of this one coming, but it was good nonetheless.  
The audience reaction was classic.

:4. #20 and #21- by Katie Frederick-Schector (Katie F-S)
I enjoy Katie's poetry and especially the first one this time.  
Very good wordplay.

:5. Harry Potter is a Tubby Bitch- by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)
Goodrich makes me laugh regardless of what he does.  He reminds 
me of an old friend from high school, only as far as I know, Josh 
isn't a habitually lying bastard.  I don't remember the poem at 
all, but the premise set up for a good ending.

:6. How Not to Get Laid- by Howard Zimmerle (Howard Z, Becca W, 
Mike Collett, Karissa Wikert, Kelly Swanson, Aubrey ?)
This was mockery and hyperbole at its best.  

:7. Simply Josh- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
This Josh makes me laugh, too.  The monologue at the beginning 
was good; unfortunately, I don't remember the stand-up that came 
after. Sorry.

:8. Dragon Flies- by Grant Tracey (Grant T)
Bravo! This was a well-written piece.  I'm glad to see the 
diversification of material.  Please come back with more; I love 
a good story.

:9. Hang Ten- by Ron Sandvig (Ron S)
My only qualm here was that it directly followed another piece of 
fiction, but this was not Ron's fault, I know.  Another superb 
work of art.

:10. Fortune Cookies- by Q and Aaron Konigsmark (Q and Aaron K)
Good piece.  I must say, Aaron plays a good German in all 
respects.  (I don't know what that means).

:11. Bittersweet- by Pete Feltman (Pete F and Aaron K)
Once again, Pete delights the crowd.  Even if his interjection 
wasn't meant to be funny, it worked.  I only wish I could have 
heard all the lyrics.

:12. 3 Poems- by Elysia Hansel (Elysia H)
Elysia is my new favorite person.  Her poetry is always top-
notch.  I wish she'd consider revisiting her stand-up routine 
(sitting down, of course) because it was top-notch as well.

:13. Hail to the Thief- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)
Maybe it's me, but I don't see in Bush what Jesse sees; however, 
the "rap-esque" delivery helps to get across his powerful message 
of anger.

:14. The Greatest Treasure of the Whole Fair- by Neil Van Gorder 
(NVG)
Good to see Neil return for another classic NVG skit.

:15. Blowin' Through the Changes, A Mime Like Me, To Frank O'Hara-
 by Luke Pingel (Luke P, Dave Oline, Paul Kresowik, Josh Johnson)
Another good diversification.  I had a hard time catching 
everything Luke was saying with the background accompaniment, but 
I got the jist of it.

See you in two weeks.  Enjoy the break.

Time: Mon, 19-Nov-2001 19:54:45 GMT     IP: 134.161.140.168

i dunno if everyone's allowed to just review, but that seth kid 
seems new, and if he can do it, so can i.

:1. A Seduction- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W, Becca Wagoner)
wait............so she was [i]planted?[/i]

2. 20,000 Snowballs- by Jeff Lenhart (Jeff L, Jesse W, and Luke 
Pingel)
i remember being confused.  i remember that everyone else seemed 
to get it.  i remember really wanting some apple pie.

3. Fresh Scents- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
[i]freaked[/i] my shit out.  which is probably good.

4. #20 and #21- by Katie Frederick-Schector (Katie F-S)
dig what woz already said: i can't review my own work.

5. Harry Potter is a Tubby Bitch- by Josh Goodrich (Josh G)
i'm glad josh and elysia are going out and all, but i always 
squirm when he says sad things.  the poem was funny and shit, but 
i worry about his self-confidence.

it's just me.  self-depricating humor makes me want to cry.

6. How Not to Get Laid- by Howard Zimmerle (Howard Z, Becca W, 
Mike Collett, Karissa Wikert, Kelly Swanson, Aubrey ?)
myself, i thought my own witty, "wear that t-shirt!" was the best 
part of the piece--and that was way, [i]way[/i] before they said 
anything even slightly offensive.

if you could call any of it offensive.  which you can't.  
offensive is me typing this: if you're not smart enough to 
discern made-up people from real people, how the [i]fuck[/i] did 
you find the big red room in the first place?  turkeys.

7. Simply Josh- by Josh Fitkin (Josh F)
the audience loves josh, josh loves the audience.  is that a 
haiku?

8. Dragon Flies- by Grant Tracey (Grant T)
i wish he hadn't felt rushed--every time i've heard grant read 
his work, it's like every sentence is poetry.  there just wasn't 
enough time to taste it properly.

9. Hang Ten- by Ron Sandvig (Ron S)
i think it's sandvik.  and i was already biased toward ron 
anyway, cuz he came into cup of joe and gave me props for playing 
johnny lang at 7am, which helped me weather the shit my coworkers 
give me for my music every other time of day.

straight up, though: beautiful work.

10. Fortune Cookies- by Q and Aaron Konigsmark (Q and Aaron K)
i can say this because both q and aaron are my friends, and they 
know how i flip out about shit like this: can we once--once, just 
[i]one fucking time[/i]--get through a no shame without a skit 
centered around the hilarity of predatory gay men????

and don't tell me it was about the accent.  i won't believe you.

11. Bittersweet- by Pete Feltman (Pete F and Aaron K)
i am so glad i finally got to hear pete play.  i dug.

12. 3 Poems- by Elysia Hansel (Elysia H)
woman, i talked to you after the show, but you know your poetry 
is as warm and comfortable as flannel sheets.  i will thank the 
universe for you as i'm mowing through my dead bird on thursday.

13. Hail to the Thief- by Jesse Wozniak (Jesse W)
welcome to the ranks of poet, wozalicious.  i'm glad to hear i'm 
not the only pissed-off one in the room.

14. The Greatest Treasure of the Whole Fair- by Neil Van Gorder
(NVG)
neil, you flip my lid.

15. Blowin' Through the Changes, A Mime Like Me, To Frank O'Hara-
by Luke Pingel (Luke P, Dave Oline, Paul Kresowik, Josh Johnson)
[i]INCREDIBLE.[/i]  i am inspired.

Time: Mon, 19-Nov-2001 19:56:41 GMT     IP: 134.161.140.168

so html doesn't work here.  my bad.

Time: Mon, 19-Nov-2001 22:47:36 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

just wanted to let everyone know that Josh Goodrich has now been 
appointed our new publicity head for No Shame Cedar Falls. He's 
now getting us the electronic boards around campus as well as a 
possible article in the NI sometime soon.

Time: Tue, 20-Nov-2001 05:28:59 GMT     IP: 24.11.44.3

Thanks guys! I am glad I am able to further support No Shame 
Theatre. Thanks again!

Goodrich

Time: Tue, 20-Nov-2001 18:23:46 GMT     IP: 134.161.73.112

Just to clarify for the confused, I did not plant that girl during 
my seduction piece. In fact, I don't even know her name. I 
vaguely know her because she was in one of Howie's plays 
that I did with him, but that is the extent of my knowing her. 
also, I had really planned on whoever got up there saying 
yes (I even had another music cue for when she said yes), 
but that obviously didn't happen , so the reaction I had was 
totally authentic. Just to clear things up. Oh, and if Katie FS 
is readin this (or anyone for that matter), not only can anyone 
review whenever they want to, we encourage as many 
people as possible to do so!

Time: Tue, 20-Nov-2001 20:29:34 GMT     IP: 134.161.140.168

:The other people were Mike Collet, Karissa Wikert, Kelly 
Swanson, 
:
Becca Wagoner, and Aubrey (??). 
:
I wish I'd been there next time I will you all for the most part 
rock

Time: Wed, 21-Nov-2001 01:39:33 GMT     IP: 134.161.72.231

ok.  so i would be the culprit.. (Hi, i'm becca) grr i had no 
idea that there was something planned that i ruined when i 'came 
on' to howie.. you know that i just had to say those cruel things 
for the crowd. and howard is just so durn cute and i felt bad for 
ditching him last time when a bear ate him. so everyone 
concerned, don't worry! i got beat up in the CAC parking lot by 
all the jelous girls that attended the performance. yay no shame!

Time: Wed, 21-Nov-2001 05:42:28 GMT     IP: 24.11.44.3

Hello No Shamers! I am writing this message because a few people 
(mainly Josh Fitkin) have brought to my attention that I 
am "Chucky". I am sorry, I AM NOT CHUCKY! I do, however, no the 
identity of Chucky and they wish to keep it a secret at this 
time. By the way Chucky, thank you for using my sister's e-mail 
address as your own. Pretty friggin clever. Anyway, now you 
know. 

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and God Bless You All!!!!!!!!!

Goodrich

Time: Fri, 23-Nov-2001 17:48:15 GMT     IP: 24.19.26.253

Okay, Erin. I have absolutely no idea who you are, and I'm sure 
you don't know me either, but I found your response to No Shame 
last Friday to be so incredibly funny that I just had to reply. 
Please don't take offense, but have you ever been to a bar? I 
agree with you that "real" men don't act like Howie and Mike did, 
but ACTUAL men do. Have you ever heard some of the lines that 
guys in bars use or the way they stare at women as if their asses 
have "Grade A Choice" stamped on them? Sometimes I can 
practically see them drool! Once again, if you would have noticed 
the title of the piece, "How NOT to Get Laid," or even the 
exaggerated way they were acting, you could totally tell that 
they were making fun of men who really do act like this towards 
women. I thought that the best part was that it's all so true! As 
far as reviewing and editing the work presented at No Shame, 
doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the open forum format? 
Sure some of the material will be over-the-top and offend certain 
people, but if you ask me, that's part of the fun. Pissing people 
off means that you've made them think and feel something, and 
that's quite an accomplishment. By the way, as a former 
University of Iowa student and regular attendant of No Shame 
Theatre, I can tell you that the material presented in Cedar 
Falls is very tame compared to some of the stuff I've seen in 
Iowa City. 

Time: Sat, 24-Nov-2001 07:49:51 GMT     IP: 209.152.97.105

Well, after reading the reviews of the last No Shame, I was 
pissed. I missed most of it to go see a movie.  Sounds like it 
was fantastic.  Glad to hear that Josh is doing publicity. Since 
I started attending in January, I have seen an increasing number 
of people each week. (being in the CAC is great too---always 
makes it look fuller- and it's kinda cozy) No Shame Cedar Falls 
is becoming quite popular, and with Josh Goodrich out there 
telling people, I am excited to see what happens in the future. 
Congrats on a great show last week (from what I hear...) Keep up 
the good work!

Justin 

P.S. I think next time I'm gonna be giving it a shot- I've been 
going forever- Its about time...I'm just not very original. :)

Time: Sat, 24-Nov-2001 21:04:02 GMT     IP: 64.209.57.143

Hey all...

How was your Thanksgiving? Mine was good. I'm only asking because 
I really, truly care deeply about all of you. I think I would die 
if I knew someone out there had a less than spectacular 
thanksgiving. Oh, and for Justin, who missed no shame to see a 
movie... WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?? Nah, just kidding. Or am I?? So 
to recap: My Thanksgiving good, hope yours was too, movies bad, 
Neil likes to kill small children.

Howard

Time: Sat, 24-Nov-2001 21:13:03 GMT     IP: 134.161.228.101

duh, yo.  you don't *have* to be original.  just latch onto 
someone who has a script or something and tell them you want to 
play a part--i mean, if kate melloy can be a flesh-ripping bear 
(and what a flesh-eating bear she was, if you know what i mean), 
so can you.  put your major into action, theatre boy.

i'd write a flesh-eating bear limerick for you any day of the 
week (as long as i had some time to, you know, contact my muse 
for inspiration and all that good shit).

Time: Sun, 25-Nov-2001 03:36:30 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

I loved the last No Shame! It was the best I've ever seen. I am 
thankful to Josh Goodrich for not trying to eat me in two 
minutes at the last show. Therefore, I am able to come to the 
show this Friday! I have escaped the greedy fingers of all the 
turkey killers this last week, as I have been in hiding in the 
mountains of Afghanistan with some weird looking dude with a 
beard. He seemed rather bitter at first, but then promised he'd 
protect me from Thanksgiving land. So we got along very well 
until he attempted to sacrifice me to his anti-Thanksgiving God! 
But don't fear! Not only did I escape from the mountains, but I 
looked at my watch to find out that it was not Thanksgiving 
anymore! 

Maybe I should have went to the authorities to report my story 
about beard-man. I just kept thinking "I'm just a runaway 
turkey, nobody will listen to me." Well, maybe so. I'll tell you 
this my brothers and sisters. I'm just thankful to be alive.

See you at the next show!

No Shame Turkey

Time: Sun, 25-Nov-2001 10:37:52 GMT     IP: 24.4.252.116

ok, this is quite possibly my first posting on the bulletin 
board - please keep in mind that it is 4:00am and I am on a very 
slow computer so excuse the typos.

first things first:
in replying to the angry/upset viewer that believes we need to 
clean up our act. well my parents were there along with Luke's 
parents and if my mom can sit through the 'penis' essay without 
freaking out or leaving than so can anyone else.  also you say 
that our 'no shame' is full of shame and we should grow up to be 
the adults we pretend to be -- we'll the definition of shame is 
quilt towards a past action, and we being the adults that wrote 
the material presented are adult enough to handle it and find the 
humor in it, and do not feel guilty - if you see shame in it, 
than perhaps ask yourself why you fell guilt? Everyone need room 
to make mistakes and take things to far, afterall, if we don't 
push the boundries, how will we know what is too far?

Second things second:
I have no idea how to add in the order from last weeks show so I 
will sum up from memory.

Serinade on getting laid:
very funny, I liked the 70's porno music and your honesty about 
your characters faults in manners, car cleanliness, lack of $, 
etc.

Snowballs:
cool, I didn't mind at all that you lost your place on the 
script - it added impromto humor - nice repition on the dog being 
hungry so he ate.

Febreeze man:
wow, I thought I would have to call poison control after you 
drank that, I am gullible to a fault and I kept smelling the air 
waiting for that sweet pungent aroma to wafft up to my row - alas 
it was indeed water, probably wise for your intestines though

KT-FS:
Nice work, I laughed at the milkman one, cried at the wind 
becoming you not being able to let go, I always appreciate you 
asking my opinion and letting me hear some poems earlier in the 
week - you are one of my closest poetry pals

Josh:
I hope you had a good Turkey Day and I still want to go on a 
date. wouldn't be ironic and funny if we went to see the movie 
Harry Potter? Luke says he will take me if you won't (ohhh 
competition) just kidding, I also think we could turn this real 
date into a co-written and performed skit called "Josh and 
Elysia's date: a reinactment" think of the possiblities...

Woz:
nice work with the poetry, it's really nice to see new people 
taking a stab at it and doing well at it

Neil:
glad to have you back, missed you at the last show. your skit 
about fair had me in stitches - but vagina is such a strange word 
to me - I usually refer to my own self as 'snatch' the repitition 
made it funnier and also more revolting - nice

luke:
I love the added live music to your stuff - those wisk things on 
the snare captivate me as much as your words. the last piece 
about the mimes and the man on the bus made me cry - good

guy with curly hair who played the guitar about acid rain:
I'm so sorry I forgot your name, to make matters worse i think 
I've even eaten lunch with you before so I'm a bitch but you are 
a good song writer - I  like the use of numbers as the percentage 
of acidity and a call to ask what the people of Iowa are going to 
do to stop it from getting worse. good

Aaron and Q:
nice german accent, very funny ending, I got confused about some 
of the questions and how every answer lead to the assurance that 
he is gay or the answers didn't matter the doctor would have told 
him he was gay either way? Side note: I once got a fortune cookie 
that said "animals can't smell you" what in the hell does that 
mean?

grant Tracey:
I'm so sorry you felt rushed, we should have told you it's ok if 
you go over 5 min. we never release the hounds until at least 8 
min. :) I really liked the interaction between the child and the 
older kid she looks up to. what is the connection between the two 
stories I've heard and the line "wanna go get a pepsi?" do you 
just like pepsi or is there a symbolism, or perhaps a sponser 
slot? just kidding. I'm really glad that you came - you and Ron 
are our first prof. to support and join in on the fun of 'No Same'

Ron:
I've never heard your work before - very awesome - I was 
impressed - It's not like I thought that you just worked in the 
office of the North American Review as a secretary but I'm glad 
to see that you are jsut as entertaining in your writing as you 
are in person.


ok, I think it's bedtime for bonzo but before i post this message 
I just wanted to tell you all how flattered I am by your 
comments, I don't know if I doubt my work or if I forget what a 
great and perceptive audience you are but either way, thank you. 
Elysia

Time: Sun, 25-Nov-2001 23:38:10 GMT     IP: 134.161.69.120

That is a good point.  BUT- what I meant was that I have lots of 
stuff I want to do, but it's not original. I steal it either from 
Saturday Night Live or "Waiting for Guffman."

Time: Sun, 25-Nov-2001 23:39:13 GMT     IP: 134.161.69.120

I'm a bastard.  I'm sorry- I will never do it again.

Time: Mon, 26-Nov-2001 01:36:59 GMT     IP: 134.161.67.93

Hey Justin! Lets get together and write a script. It will be 
fun. No wait, lots of fun. Anyway your not a bastard. Talk to 
you tomorrow. 

Time: Mon, 26-Nov-2001 15:57:20 GMT     IP: 134.161.71.116

look at "a seduction" the last line on the page it was called 
hail to the thief, which i think was woz's poem that week.
just wanted to bring that to all your attention. 
ps, the fortune cookies skit was about the fortunes (a semi true 
story) and not about the "preditory gay male" i thought it would 
be a funny way to wrap up the skit. didn't mean to offend.

Time: Mon, 26-Nov-2001 16:14:40 GMT     IP: 134.161.136.16


Thanksgiving was great.  As usual at our house we substituted a 
small boy for the more traditional turkey.  Grandma enjoyed the 
Pureed Kidney with Raisins.  

Neil 

Time: Wed, 28-Nov-2001 06:10:29 GMT     IP: 24.149.25.102

I'm going to need you for my piece on friday. I want to run a 
couple of things by you, but I'll talk to you more about that 
when i see you.

you are an american hero

Loooooooook

Time: Wed, 28-Nov-2001 14:50:39 GMT     IP: 134.161.140.168

:I'm going to need you for my piece on friday. I want to run a 
:
couple of things by you, but I'll talk to you more about that 
:
when i see you.
:

:
you are an american hero
:

:
Loooooooook



Hey Luke! There is a strong possibility I may not be able to be 
there because of The Red Dragon. If you are one of the last 
performers, then there is a chance. I am thinking I will be 
released from the theatre at 10:30 or 10:45. Tell me what you 
think. Later man!

Time: Fri, 30-Nov-2001 00:08:40 GMT     IP: 24.149.21.150

Miss Erin, 
  Although you are correct that most men dont act in this sort of 
manner, it was a joke...
  People need to get down from that high ladder of conformity and 
political correctness.  Everyone seems to be highly upset by 
something as careless and humorous as a spoof on the sexual 
aggressiveness of the male college ego.  But I'll bet that a 
spoof such as that when performed by women to bash men would have 
been fully accepted and laughed at.  Why is it such a big deal 
for men to laugh at our stereotypes when it is such a big joke 
for the other sex.  Next time you decide to get this gender 
rightous think about whom is being oppressed these days...