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Subj: BoardRoom: Scorpiorder Rising
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 03-Mar-2001 00:53:07 GMT IP: 4.4.74.114
This is Chris Stangl, writing now. I am an
approachable real-life human being, to whom YOU the writers of
No Shame Theatre can voice complaints, formal or informal to my
face, using your real faces and names. I do not speak for the
No Shame Board. I DO speak as a member: one sixth of the
opinion of that board.
The No Shame Theatre Board's current practice is to
recruit serving members from the pool of dedicated regular
performers. It does not currently assign Formal Offices, but
generalized duties (Neil shall unlock Theatre B and read Order @
top of show). I take the order. I, Chris Stangl, take the
Order, because I love the job, and love the No Shame Theatre and
I maintain that I am good at the job.
I learned to Take Order by watching previous Order
Takers before me. There are no rules to Taking Order. I've
seen good Takers and bad Takers, and I've seen both put together
good and bad orders.
HOW TO TAKE ORDER:
I take order at 10:30 pm, sharp-as-possible. I use college-
ruled notebook paper, clipboard and Uniball Vision pen. I try
to sort out submissions on first-come, first-served basis. I
ask submitters where in the order they think their piece best
suited.
I like to go last, and have for many seasons. I write
pieces knowing they will be last. Other writers do not usually
do this. That's why I am generally last.
Given that the Order Taker hasn't time nor inclination
to read scripts and place them in best-of-all-possible-orders
(which would STILL be subjective anyway), s/he (he, for the
record) has to make snap judgements, and develops systems, like
Don't Put Two Songs Together. Like Break Up Blocks of
Monologues. Like Don't Open With Serious Pieces. And a
personal favorite: Don't Open With Long Pieces.
I have been writing brief blackout gags for the last two
seasons. I know that ultra-short comedy pieces are good ways to
start the show. Again: the pieces I turned away last Friday
were all a page or more. Again: I gave myself two pieces
because I knew my first was not half a page long, and the show
was otherwise barren of half-page pieces that night. This isn't
a court of law, it's a balancing game, and so it goes and so it
goes.
For record: last week "Pookman" (whose piece I was cast
in), Paul Rust and Aaron Galbraith (board member) were turned
away. "Pookman," Paul Rust and Aaron Galbraith are the second,
third and fourth pieces I am taking tonight. I am taking order,
and will give myself a place in the order, without having to
show up at ten o'clock. I have never seen an Order Taker behave
any differently.
NBC Comeback Chris Stangl
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Scorpiorder Rising
From: chapla@moon.pie (my FOUR cent!)
Time: Sat, 03-Mar-2001 08:42:54 GMT IP: 205.217.148.60
:NBC Comeback Chris Stangl
My crack is itchy
Subj: BoardRoom: re: X2
From: JeffGoode@aol.com (Jeff)
Time: Sat, 03-Mar-2001 17:20:58 GMT IP: 172.153.7.24
Hi! My name is Jeff Goode. I did Chris Stangl's job at No
Shame back when we started out. This is my story.
In general people have always tended to shy away from the first
and last slots. Especially new performers; or any performer who
was doing something particularly experimental or risky that
week. You don't want to have to open the show, or close the
show if you're afraid of flopping. Better to be somewhere in
the middle. As the ordertaker/emcee I was always trying to coax
people who I knew to be good openers into the first slot or the
last slot, but more often than not, it was easier just to slot
myself in at those positions since I'm not afraid of flopping,
and since I was going to be onstage at the beginning and end of
the show anyway, so it really wasn't that big a deal for me
to "put myself out there" right away.
There were a couple of other people who would occasionally
request those spots. There was a guy named Stan who would come
in about every 3 weeks and demand the closing spot. And another
guy named Tony Trout who was there every week, but once or twice
a semester he would write a piece that HAD to be first. I don't
think I ever refused anyone the opening or closing spots (though
I remember once having to settle a dispute between two
performers who both wanted to open that week), but I still ended
up opening and/or closing about 3/4 of the shows I did. But it
was never really a privelege, it's just part of hosting No
Shame. Somebody's got to close and if no one else does it,
you're going to have to.
So while it may appear unfair, at first glance, for one person
to open the show a lot, probably there is no particular demand
for those spots. (I notice that there haven't been any stories
at all from people who requested, but were unjustly refused the
first or last spots in the order, so I'm guessing Chris's
experience is pretty similar to mine.)
...Jeff
Subj: BoardRoom: another shameless act of self-promotion
From: prust@hotmail.com (paul rust)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 00:32:52 GMT IP: 128.255.108.59
hello, everybody (who is reading this) -
this is paul rust (the big-nosed no shame performer). this
summer, before i was in "THE SUBORDINATES" (march 14th at the
green room - ahh!), i did some solo stuff. i put out an album
called "promises, regrets..." the songs on it are pretty
simplisitic and bare-sounding, but i still like them. i decided
to put them on at mp3.com. right now, there's about eight songs
on there with more to come over the next few days/weeks. i still
have some copies of the album to sell (most of them went to
family and friends who pitied me), so sound-test the songs at
mp3.com and if you like 'em, you can buy the c.d. I'll have some
with me at future no shame's if you want to get one there or
email me at prust@hotmail.com. It will only cost you five
dollars and that's including neat album artwork, too.
you can search for me at mp3.com or go directly to my webpage
there at:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/144/paul_rust.html
i spent a lot of time stroking my ego as i wrote the song
descriptions there, so make sure to make my hard work worthwhile
and read them. thanks.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: another shameless act of self-promot
From: prust@hotmail.com (oops - it's paul rus)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 00:37:57 GMT IP: 128.255.108.59
Oh yeah... and ignore that god-awful, pretensious (sp?) picture of
me at mp3.com. I needed a picture, I used that one, and now I
regret it so very much. Forgive me, Jesus.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: another shameless act of self-promot
From: bleah@bleah.bleah (Bleah!)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 02:18:13 GMT IP: 128.255.111.4
Bleah! Tritish melodies. Inane lyrics. None of the screaming
that sounded cool and made the live show I saw rock. Rust,
because I enjoyed the show I saw, I "surfed" to mp3.com to listen
to each and every one of those songs, knowing full well that they
would be musically spare or whatever. Here I write my response to
your request for me to purchase an album full of musically boring
songs, many of which go so far as to directly state that you are
sensitive and would make good boyfriend material: Bleah!
Bleah
Subj: BoardRoom: Where's the frickin order?
From: yo@mama.com (yo!)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 19:41:28 GMT IP: 24.6.203.121
This suxx! Where's the frickin order?
Subj: BoardRoom: Order, 3-2-2001
From: cmstang@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 19:51:29 GMT IP: 4.4.74.44
No Shame Theatre
3-2-2001
ANNOUNCEMENTS/ORDER: Campbell, Clarke
0.5. "The Delirium Tremens" by Chris Stangl
[Stangl, Lawson, comedy sketch] Surefire cure for the DT's is
unconsciousness.
1. "Wannabe Baby Carriage" by Thomas Kovacs
[Kovacs; comic monologue] Torn Condom finds comfort in Miss
Carriage.
2. "The Misadventures of Social Anxiety Disorder" by Elliot
Stapleton
[Stapleton, ?,?,?; comedy sketch] SAD causes misfortune, terror.
3. "You Know What I Hate?" by Pookman
[Pookman; stand-up comedy] Answer: Weebles, "Black Dog," Captain
Planet, "cock piercings," more.
4. "My Lovelife at Age Twelve" by Nella Christo Arbock
[?, Hansen, Clark; monologue] Jr. high Nirvana cover band
singer insights crush.
5. "The Deadlies; Part One: The Blue Cow" by Julie Shell
[Luxton, King; pornographic monologue] Sex acts explicitly
described at unwitting audience member.
5.5. "How_ Do You Spell Manifest Destiny?" by Al Angel, Chris
Stangl, Britt Hill
[Angel, Stangl; comedy sketch] "Wanna eat at that new Indian
Restaurant?_"!
6. "Deedeedeedeedee" by Plumper
[River, Angel, Fairchild, Campbell, Clark, Tom Knapp, Hansen;
musical sketch] Dancing and music.
7. "Franklin and the Sandwich" by Mark J. Hansen
[Fairchild, Hansen; comedy sketch] Men bond over sandwich; eat
sandwich.
8. "Don't Call it a Comeback" by Aprille Clarke
[Clarke; comic monologue] Rich girl mutilates fetuses, has
affair with spaceman.
9. "Stanley Klugman: a Woman's Right_ To Laugh!" by Paul Rust
[Rust, Galbraith, Clarke; comedy sketch] Aging stand-up livens
material with on-stage abortion.
9.5 "A Song" by Sean
[Mike Brooks, Sean; song] "We play a song; ladies swoon; lights
down."
10. "Sorry, 185 Chandeliers, We Don't Serve `Menorah'-ties_" by
Aaron Galbraith
[Rust, Clarke, ?, Stangl, River, Cassady, Rust; comedy sketch]
6 idiotic blackout gags.
11. "Fart `n' Stink: the Golden Age of Hollywood" by Al Angel
[Stangl, River, Cassady; comedy sketch] Cute old man loved-up,
then beaten.
12. "God in a Two-Bedroom Efficiency" by Dan Fairchild
[Fairchild, J. Hansen; comedy sketch] Why can God fuck your
woman and drink your booze?
13. "He Was" by Erin King
[King; poem] Car accident gives Erin pause to consider
mortality.
14. "We Fall Down, We Go Boom" by Neil "Balls" Campbell and Mike
"Thunder-tits" Cassady
[Campbell, Cassady, Rust, Galbraith, King, Clarke; comedy
sketch] Have goons smashed valuable birdie? No, it's just PAUL
RUST!
15. "The ATM Outside Secret Nails" by Chris Stangl
[Stangl, comic monologue] 9th grade romance stifled in mall.
The end.
Chris Stangl
Subj: BoardRoom: review my ass
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (dan fairchild)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 20:53:40 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
:No Shame Theatre
:
3-2-2001
:
:
ANNOUNCEMENTS/ORDER: Campbell, Clarke
:
:
0.5. "The Delirium Tremens" by Chris Stangl
:
[Stangl, Lawson, comedy sketch] Surefire cure for the DT's
is
:
unconsciousness.
:
Perhaps I'm just getting desensitized or I'm expecting too
much but a few weeks ago I said that these two characters
seem to get more and more morally deficient and I pondered
whether there would be a bottom to the hole their decending.
I think I screwed by saying that, expecting each week to be
more fucked up. I hate myself for expecting anything from
these two characters and I'm trying to stop it. That's not to
say that I'm tired of the drunkard skunkard sketches. I don't
imagine such a thing is possible. As for this one, I enjoyed
the levity with which each character reacted to their DT's.
Though I really think it works better with them sitting down or
prostrate. Great job by Arlen drinking from the bottle while
still shaking.
:
1. "Wannabe Baby Carriage" by Thomas Kovacs
:
[Kovacs; comic monologue] Torn Condom finds comfort in
Miss
:
Carriage.
:
My reaction is pretty much what everybody elses will be. He
should have stopped right after introducing his monologue
as was suggested. Just reading the introduction to the
monologue and not giving the monologue is funny but when
you follow it with the monologue it is as if you are apologizing
for it and BANG you lost yourself an audience. Not to say that
his monologue was bad, I'm sure it would have gotten a few
laughs if he had practiced it at all. However I think the whole
'logue revolved around the use of amusing names and the
only one that works as a name is Miss Carriage. By the way,
did anybody count the unborn babies this week?
:
2. "The Misadventures of Social Anxiety Disorder" by Elliot
:
Stapleton
:
[Stapleton, ?,?,?; comedy sketch] SAD causes misfortune,
terror.
:
These guys were cute. I just wanted to go up on stage and
pinch their cheeks. I hope they don't read this because I bet
they could kick my ass. Who's got my back?
As for the sketch. I liked it. I laughed. I can see room for
improvement performance-wise but I can definitely see them
getting better should they return which I hope they do. I also
hope they do have their own identity instead of being called
the Violence Guys Part 2, Electic boogaloo.
:
3. "You Know What I Hate?" by Pookman
:
[Pookman; stand-up comedy] Answer: Weebles, "Black Dog,"
Captain
:
Planet, "cock piercings," more.
:
You can pretty much say the same thing for every Pookman
performance and I already tore him apart so I'll refrain.
:
4. "My Lovelife at Age Twelve" by Nella Christo Arbock
:
[?, Hansen, Clark; monologue] Jr. high Nirvana cover band
:
singer insights crush.
:
I'm working on a novel and in it I give the main character
many of the silly little crushes I had throughout my life and he
takes them VERY seriously. Probably because it is evidence
that I have a heart and have those kind of feelings. And that
isn't something to take lightly. I think the thing that fascinates
me about the character in this series of monologues is not
so much the humor with which she describes each crush but
something that is never openly communicated: why she
needs to share all these things. I'm not asking for an answer
and I'm not going to give you mine. I think we should all have
our own.
:
5. "The Deadlies; Part One: The Blue Cow" by Julie Shell
:
[Luxton, King; pornographic monologue] Sex acts explicitly
:
described at unwitting audience member.
:
The following review reveals certain aspects of my sexuality
that you may not want to be privvy to. Just a warning.
This was sexy. It was. Yet at the same time the choice of
Luxton gave it just the shade of oddity that it needed. Who
can picture him having sex? Excellent choice of making sure
that the female got off first and not being wary about giving
her oral sex. At least for me it was. I must admit that I am a,
if you'll pardon me, rugmuncher. If I weren't laughing so hard
I probably would have had an erection. I just realized that my
review of this piece give just a little too much info about me.
I'll go back to the top and put a warning.
:
5.5. "How_ Do You Spell Manifest Destiny?" by Al Angel,
Chris
:
Stangl, Britt Hill
:
[Angel, Stangl; comedy sketch] "Wanna eat at that new
Indian
:
Restaurant?_"!
:
I can't remember the punchline. Sorry.
:
6. "Deedeedeedeedee" by Plumper
:
[River, Angel, Fairchild, Campbell, Clark, Tom Knapp,
Hansen;
:
musical sketch] Dancing and music.
:
FUN! Holy shit this was fun.
:
7. "Franklin and the Sandwich" by Mark J. Hansen
:
[Fairchild, Hansen; comedy sketch] Men bond over
sandwich; eat
:
sandwich.
:
I admire the way Mark can write a certain comfort in
awkwardness. Big time apparent in this piece. I think the
random, "Kiss me" has been used quite a bit and it didn't
help matter with me delivering it. But I think he knew this and
didn't place the joke in that but in the "We kissed for several
hours that followed. Yes, I'm nit-picky.
:
More to come when I give a damn again.
wuv,
dan
Subj: BoardRoom: re: review my ass
From: lemminger@hotmail.com (Arlen)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 21:38:06 GMT IP: 128.255.107.135
Please, Dan Fairchild, Paul Rust, and everybody else who does
this, stop cutting your reviews in half. I said please and I am
one person. This is not a mandate from the No Shame audience...
But please do stop. Two reasons. First, it has happened on
occasion that you do not finish your review as promised. And that
is bad. I hate it when that happens.
Second, to be reading a review, waiting and wading patiently
through the mire of one person's opinions about other people's
pieces, agreeing and disagreeing minimally, eagerly anticipating
the nugget of feedback concerning the only piece of the evening I
really care about in any way, only to find that he ditched out
immediately before reviewing my own hurts my little feelers.
Now, I didn't write anything this week, but I bet ah... let me
check... Aprille Clarke or Paul Rust, assuming either is in any
way as neurotic as I am, are thinking, "Why did he stop before my
piece? Does he not want to review my piece? My name is Aprille
Clarke." or "Why did Dan stop before Aprille's piece? Did he not
want to review mine, but think that stopping immediately before
mine would make his motivation for stopping too obvious? Paul
Rust, here," respectively.
Do you choose to accept my suggestion of not doing that no
more? Well, here is how you don't do it! Woah! You take your
opinions to Microsoft Word, or some other Word Processor. When
you feel like you just can't review no more, you save. Later, you
post it all at once. Then, the drain on your will to live isn't
so great, and even the last people in the order get a thoughtful
review instead of an
I've-been-in-front-of-this-computer-screen-for-too-long review.
Your mother,
Mom
Subj: BoardRoom: re: review my ass
From: gretagarbo@rawk-star.com (Aprille)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 21:50:54 GMT IP: 205.244.161.242
I must agree with Arlen "Mom is what i call him"'s sentiment.
it is very frustrating to have a review end just before one's
own piece would have been reviewed.
i must, however, add my own spin on his wise suggestion of
writing a review as a Microsoft Word document. This is an
excellent idea and one I've used myself, as it allows the
reviewer to take as much time as she/he needs and write a
review that does not short-change the writers and performers
who went later in the show due to reviewer's
sick-of-reviewing state of mind (I understand this is Dan's
motivation in not doing the whole thing at once, but complaint
holds).
however, i do agree with posting it in two parts, because a
review is sometimes inadvertently cut off due to the space
limits of this particular forum. rumor has it you can
sometimes see the entire post by posting a reply to it,
because it may be quoted in its entireity rather than just the
accepted amount. but that's work, and as a red-blooded
american, i deserve the easy way.
Sometimes when i use Internet Explorer instead of
Netscape, it cuts off the end of my posts regardless of the
length. We'll see if that happens now.
Will someone please tell those hippies downstairs to stop
playing bad guitar and burning incense?
word to my mother.
Subj: BoardRoom: Das ber Rev
From: lucre@penis.com (Nickzsche)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 22:57:18 GMT IP: 128.255.108.127
Would you like me to review the order? I will do it in several
segments, just because I think people are getting a little too
sensitive about things and jeez who really cares how many reviews
you get in a week? Lighten up.
:
:0.5. "The Delirium Tremens" by Chris Stangl
What I liked was the fun stilted dialect. I also like how absurd
the volume of liquor consumed by the two in this particular piece
was. I hope it was not real.
:1. "Wannabe Baby Carriage" by Thomas Kovacs
I pretty much agree completely with Dan's review of this. Ditto.
:2. "The Misadventures of Social Anxiety Disorder" by Elliot
:Stapleton
:[Stapleton, ?,?,?; comedy sketch]
This was pretty cute and funny in a sad way. It didn't really have
any sources of humor in the writing besides the one joke of the
extremetiy of social anxiety. It was the acting that made this
piece fun.
:3. "You Know What I Hate?" by Pookman
:[Pookman; stand-up comedy]
Too long for starters. I'm not sure what pookman's whole raison
d'etre is, but taken at face value, these stand ups are tiresome
and a bit offensive. It just seems like he couldn't possibly be
expecting them to stand on their own, but I'm certain I don't have
the patience to wait for the larger concept here.
:4. "My Lovelife at Age Twelve" by Nella Christo Arbock
:[?, Hansen, Clark; monologue]
Did you like that song? You will hear it in its entirety, with
lyrics (not Nella's monologue, but some lyrics I sing) on the
Nozebone the Band album "It Is So Nice" once we get that done.
Meanwhile, you can download a couple of the tracks that will appear
on the album by going to http://envy.nu/lucre/nozebone
:5. "The Deadlies; Part One: The Blue Cow" by Julie Shell
:[Luxton, King; pornographic monologue]
What the value of this was, I'm not certain, but the approach was
very inventive and the 'volunteer' thing was so agressive, and yes
the writing was pretty darn sexy. Really unique and well done, I
still don't know if I can say that I liked it or not, because of
the wierd vicarious sexual agression of it.
:5.5. "How_ Do You Spell Manifest Destiny?" by Al Angel, Chris
:Stangl, Britt Hill
:[Angel, Stangl; comedy sketch]
I think the funniest things about this piece were the title and the
fact that the piece took three people to create.
:6. "Deedeedeedeedee" by Plumper
:[River, Angel, Fairchild, Campbell, Clark, Tom Knapp, Hansen;
:musical sketch
I learned an important lesson here. I can't dance in brand-new
hiking boots. I love the way Jamal boils down a comedic concept to
its absolute essence, to the point where many people would think
there was nothing funny left, and lets that stand on its own.
Somehow he always gets it to work.
:7. "Franklin and the Sandwich" by Mark J. Hansen
:[Fairchild, Hansen; comedy sketch]
I've read parts of this before, and somehow lines like "You've got
mustard on your soul" just didn't have the same punch as I expected
them to in performance. Mark's pieces can go either way, but I
think that usually it is the ones written at the loast minute that
fare better on stage, and the ones written over time which fare
better on the page.
:8. "Don't Call it a Comeback" by Aprille Clarke
:[Clarke; comic monologue]
I'm not certain why I never tire of the really disusting stuff in
Aprilles pieces, 'cause they really are disgusting. I think it's
because she manages to find a way to justify it, to make that
disgust absolutely central to the value of each piece. Then again,
maybe it's just gross junk that gets the attention of a No Shame
audience.
:9. "Stanley Klugman: a Woman's Right_ To Laugh!" by Paul Rust
:[Rust, Galbraith, Clarke; comedy sketch]
Sheesh! Okay, in contrast to Aprille's work, I didn't feel like
the disgust stuff was really necessary here. I was enjoying the
character of the bombing standup, and I thought that it didn't
really need to be taken over the top at that point. Well, maybe
not so much over the top.
:9.5 "A Song" by Sean
:[Mike Brooks, Sean; song]
For a style of music that I don't usually listen to or like, I
liked this song a lot.
:10. "Sorry, 185 Chandeliers, We Don't Serve `Menorah'-ties_" by
:Aaron Galbraith
:[Rust, Clarke, ?, Stangl, River, Cassady, Rust; comedy sketch]
Really cute stuff, Aaron. I like the fact that, while independant,
the bits interplayed to further effect ("This guy").
:11. "Fart `n' Stink: the Golden Age of Hollywood" by Al Angel
:[Stangl, River, Cassady; comedy sketch]
Three distinct sections to this piece 1)Old man mono on Hollywood
2)Kids loving old man 3)Kids beating up old man. 1) was a great
send-up / extension of the Hollywood old man characters portrayed
by Chris -&- Neil in the past. 2) was a really cute and fun and
sweetly bizzaire deflation of 1). 3) didn't really seem necessary
to me. It seems like a bit of a NS cliche for two youngsters to
beat a more frail person (esp. an old man, esp. unto death). So it
not only seemed unnecessary, it seemed like a cop out, and an
unfortunate way to conclude such a promising, enjoyable piece.
:12. "God in a Two-Bedroom Efficiency" by Dan Fairchild
:[Fairchild, J. Hansen; comedy sketch]
Some sort of tasteless religious satire is, along with really gross
things and scatology, the bread and/or butter of NS. There were a
lot of things to like about this. Dan dealt with God in a
situation you don't see Him in, and made a believable roomate.
That's the sort of power dynamic between unhappy roommates, and if
one of them is omnipotent, what can you do. I will also mention,
(though I don't want to direct criticism until I hear Dan's side)
that the fact that the only female in the piece had no lines,
served only as a receptacle for a penis and was played by a table
kinda rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, yeah I can see that it's
not a role you'd especially want to give to any really live woman
perhaps, but, well, I'm just mentioning it.
:13. "He Was" by Erin King
:[King; poem]
King's decision to stand on the table somehow made a lot of
difference in this piece. Her performance was subdued, and perhaps
that's understandable, but she shifted the power in this piece from
being performative to geographical, and it worked in a wierd way I
might not have expected from her. It was an especially apt shif
for this kind of writing.
:14. "We Fall Down, We Go Boom" by Neil "Balls" Campbell and Mike
:"Thunder-tits" Cassady
:[Campbell, Cassady, Rust, Galbraith, King, Clarke; comedy
:sketch]
Gosh that's sad. Neat job by Rust in foaming at the mouth. A
convoluted and kinda sick humor made the writing here
simultaneously hilarious and agonizing.
:15. "The ATM Outside Secret Nails" by Chris Stangl
:[Stangl, comic monologue]
A really nice use of all sorts of different sensual imagery gave
this piece a nice texture which was one of the many things that
make it seem more like a testimonial or page from a diary than a
'art' thing. What is the value of verisimilitude? I don't know,
but I like it. Any ideas?
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Das ber Rev
From: lucre@farts.com (Nic k)
Time: Sun, 04-Mar-2001 23:02:15 GMT IP: 128.255.108.127
Hey Aprille, you were right about the reply thing. Here's the end
of my review. Also, I lied, see?
15. "The ATM Outside Secret Nails" by Chris Stangl
[Stangl, comic monologue]
A really nice use of all sorts of different sensual imagery gave
this piece a nice texture which was one of the many things that
make it seem more like a testimonial or page from a diary than a
'art' thing. What is the value of verisimilitude? I don't know,
but I like it. Any ideas?
So I wound up putting the whole review in just one thing. And I
didn't use a word processor either. Take that.
Luvvywugs 'n' Huggypuffs,
-Mega
Subj: BoardRoom: In defense of the Rust solo tracks
From: theresa@temptation.com (NCTA)
Time: Mon, 05-Mar-2001 04:37:18 GMT IP: 128.255.111.26
Tritish? Inane? Perhaps these could stand as valid criticisms of
Paul's tracks, but (besides this being neither an appropriate place
to criticize, nor to advertise such stuff) in the same sense, they
would be equally valid criticisms of the Beatles, Jonathan Richman,
The Velvet Underground, Ben Lee or any other especially melodic
band with simple, direct lyrics. I think that Paul probably is
sensitive, and probably would make good boyfriend material. Sould
he not be allowed to say so? Sometimes I wonder why the world
bothered having a punk rock. Did people really become any more
open to music which could say what it wanted to be say and be done?
Appearantly not. Did people really become any more appreciative of
the value of hearing a band with limited ability trying their
hardest to create what would in more professional hands sound
simplistic? 'Tritish' melodies belong to musicians whose ability
strains to accomplish them. Of course I'm wandering into a defense
of a certain other band featuring NS regulars here, and I don't
wish to insult Rust's ability, but my point is that when a band
plays a given 'tritish' melody, and plays it flawlessly, it will
naturally sound dull. But when a less talented musician plays the
same thing, and you can hear certain areas where the material
becomes difficult for him / her, what was dull gains a lot of
character and reveals a great deal about the artist. Also, if
you're going to make such an attack on someone's work, at least
don't be cowardly about it: identify yourself.
G'night.
-Nella C. T. Arbock
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Order, 3-2-2001
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (dan fairchild)
Time: Mon, 05-Mar-2001 19:47:23 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
Okay, I'll try not to break up my reviews.
8. "Don't Call it a Comeback" by Aprille Clarke
:
[Clarke; comic monologue] Rich girl mutilates fetuses, has
:
affair with spaceman.
:
It is great that Aprille's piece and Paul's piece are back to
back because I got into one helluva debate with a friend of
mine who was deeply offended by Paul's piece and not so
much by Aprille's piece even though they both consist of
abortions. My friend's belief is that the way Aprille
approached it, like she does in most of her pieces, is she
makes us laugh at the most inappropriate thing, then turns
the tables and shows us that we're assholes for making us
laugh at it. The way Paul approaches it is that he treats such
a sensitive topic like abortion with such levity that people
become desensitized to it and my friend was disheartened
and pissed at both me and the rest of the audience for
laughing at it. In other words, my friend believed that Paul's
approach was, "Ha, ha, abortions are funny." While Aprille's
approach was, "Boy, don't you feel like assholes for
laughing." And to my friend, Aprille's approach is the correct,
responsible approach and Paul's was the immature, evil
approach. I'll continue the flow of this debate in my review of
Paul's piece since I think it is important and brings up many
questions.
As for Aprille's piece itself. I often wonder what sort of
injections from her personal life Aprille puts in her pieces.
Often times they consist of the following things: A screwed
up parent, usually a mother; the narrator child of said parent
who is usually shown as naive to the point of being oblivious
to the screwed up-edness of the parent or whose love is so
unconditional that they write it off as eccentricity; a lousy
boyfriend (optional); a contemporary issue such as abortion
or child abuse; then a sudden revelation that the narrator is
not as naive as they appeared. Correct me if I'm wrong about
this but don't do it harshly because I am not putting it down.
Never in my entire No Shame experience have I NOT come
away with a feeling of, "Whoa, holy shit," in response to one
of Aprille's sketch.
I like to think of her protagonists in this way: In the beginning
we see her as a sweet, somewhat stupid, and subservient
(God bless alliteration). The way womyn are often times
expected to behave. Then at the end she slaps everybody
across the face and says, "Fuck you! Hear me roar!" And we
applaud her. And we never expect it. But this time I didn't get
that, breaking apart the formula I described above. What we
got instead was no change in the protagonist, but just a
declaration that it was the mother's fault that the protagonist
is so fucked up. Pounding on her stomache and, "Mommy
said knock you out." This was not a bad thing. It was very
effective and a good change. Our parents imprint on our
morals sort of thing.
:
9. "Stanley Klugman: a Woman's Right_ To Laugh!" by Paul
Rust
:
[Rust, Galbraith, Clarke; comedy sketch] Aging stand-up
livens
:
material with on-stage abortion.
:
On with the debate I began to describe above. My contention
is that Paul's piece was actually commenting on the
desensitzation issue. The state of stand-up comedy now is
that you have to do or say something inappropriate to get a
laugh and while they don't perform on-stage abortions, that's
the direction it is heading. Perhaps also another
commentary on our beloved Pookman. The character was
not a likeable one. The ill consequence of his wife dying was
represented. Stop focusing on the abortion itself, I said. My
friend's contention is that by doing so he is only reinforcing
such comedy by doing it and she did not get that the
character was not a likeable one and she thought that the
wife had only passed out from the pain, despite the
punchline, which apparently she missed. Her feeling is that
he did not give us those moral arrows or alert bells that
Aprille often provides us and he should have since people
the general No Shame audience doesn't come to NST
looking for some hidden meaning in it. I proceeded to tell
her that art SHOULDN'T HAVE to be anything. And that
people were laughing at the abortion part BECAUSE it was
so fucked up. Not because they think abortions are funny. If
all Paul had done was get up on stage and did an on-stage
abortion, yes, I can see how it would have been completely
and totally offensive, but that wasn't all there was. But she
still thinks that people came away a little more desensitized
to it and feels Paul failed in projecting the consequences. By
her rationale I shouldn't have been able to perform my piece,
either. Anyway I'm so pissed at her.
It all comes down to, if you found it offensive you should have
gotten up and left.
The question is: Does an artist have a responsiblity to point
an audience in a certain moral direction clearly and concisely
or is it asking to much of an audience to seek out the
meaning?
:
9.5 "A Song" by Sean
:
[Mike Brooks, Sean; song] "We play a song; ladies swoon;
lights
:
down."
:
It did seem very Matchbox 20. I don't like Matchbox 20.
:
10. "Sorry, 185 Chandeliers, We Don't Serve
`Menorah'-ties_" by
:
Aaron Galbraith
:
[Rust, Clarke, ?, Stangl, River, Cassady, Rust; comedy
sketch]
:
6 idiotic blackout gags.
:
I can't remember anything from this. Sorry.
:
11. "Fart `n' Stink: the Golden Age of Hollywood" by Al Angel
:
[Stangl, River, Cassady; comedy sketch] Cute old man
loved-up,
:
then beaten.
:
Old people seem to be getting beat up quite a bit lately on the
No Shame stage. As a former employee of a nursing home,
I have mixed feelings about this. Again it goes back to the
whole "it's funny because it's so fucked up".
:
12. "God in a Two-Bedroom Efficiency" by Dan Fairchild
:
[Fairchild, J. Hansen; comedy sketch] Why can God fuck your
:
woman and drink your booze?
:
Well I'll just go ahead and explain the invisible womyn thing
since you kinda asked. There is the fact that I would feel bad
about asking a girl to only bump naughties and have no other
part in the sketch but that's not the reason I chose to do it the
way I did.
I chose to have her not on stage physically because it would
be stupid and awkward to bring out another actor for that one
part when everything is between God and his roomie. God is
an asshole in this piece so to him, the girl was just a place to
put his penis.
Then there's the problem of how would the girl react to what
is happening. Is she just lying there in a trance under God's
power? Is she enjoying it? Is she a willing participant? I
decided to leave it up to the imagination. I just wanted the act
of God screwing his room mate's girl to be yet another point
of conflict and nothing more.
:
13. "He Was" by Erin King
:
[King; poem] Car accident gives Erin pause to consider
:
mortality.
:
I need action for my gerbil-like attention span to stay focused.
Gimme some of that and I'd a been happy.
:
14. "We Fall Down, We Go Boom" by Neil "Balls" Campbell
and Mike
:
"Thunder-tits" Cassady
:
[Campbell, Cassady, Rust, Galbraith, King, Clarke; comedy
:
sketch] Have goons smashed valuable birdie? No, it's just
PAUL
:
RUST!
:
There's just something funny about two goons saying the
word "birdie." I think it all goes back to Loony Toons. Paul
Rust continued to disgust us and for that we owe him a thank
you.
:
15. "The ATM Outside Secret Nails" by Chris Stangl
:
[Stangl, comic monologue] 9th grade romance stifled in
mall.
:
Once again, I can't remember anything. I'll wait for more
reviews that might spark a memory and hope they don't sway
my opinion. Not likely, though.
:
The end.
:
You said it, Brother.
Chris Stangl
:loves
Dan Fairchild
Subj: BoardRoom: holy shit, dan
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (dan fairchild)
Time: Mon, 05-Mar-2001 19:53:07 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
I just realized how incoherently absent of key words my
review was and how many run on sentences there are just
like the one you are reading no. I think you can understand
what I meant, though. I typed fast and proofed even faster.
Damn it.
wuv,
dan
Subj: BoardRoom: Dead babies
From: lemminger@hotmail.com (Arlen)
Time: Tue, 06-Mar-2001 00:21:12 GMT IP: 128.255.109.60
It is my opinion that the funniest joke is to say or do a
terrible thing as a joke. The laughter comes from how unfunny,
how offensive the thing is that you're doing. That thing that
you're doing? That's funny! I'm not sure how much of this goes
on at No Shame these days, but when I first came, this type of
joke dominated.
Pretty recently, Paul Rust, his own self, wrote this about a
piece of Neil's:
" Anybody's a wonderful performer if they can get an entire
auidence to think killing children is amusing."
Well, Paul Rust, I wanted to punch you in the face when you
wrote that, because, in the context of this kind of a joke,
violence against women, children, cripples, the elderly,
minorities, your mother, or Jesus Christ is ALWAYS amusing. So
is screaming, "Hey Deafy! Got any deaf?" at, you know, someone
who don't got no ears. I'm glad to see you're coming around.
Now about a coupla other things on this board.
I think that the suggestion that the presence of the invisible
female in Dan's piece could have been offensive is silly. I wAs
thinking, "You know, this could, hypothetically, be offensive,"
when this part in the piece came around. But actually being
offended about it seems really contrived to me.
It was a piece about "You woke me up! You drank my booze! You
dicked my girl! You let our mutual friend use a coffee mug that
I specifically told you I wanted to be reserved for my use only,
on account of I use it so much and need it readily available!"
It was not a piece about "Let's realize that it's terrible that
the default human being in all art and all society is male and
make an effort to change that." While the latter is a noble
goal, and I applaud you, 'Nella,' for what I assume is your
effort in this area (Though your casting of every single No Shame
female, from the female equivalent of Tom Kovacs to the female
equivalent of Brad Smith, which is to say regardless of talent,
and dependant only on the requisite of having a vagina, kinda
rubs mE the wrong way) it is not wrong to write a piece about the
terrible things one male room mate does to another, nor is it
wrong for a fella to write continually from the male perspective,
considering that the male perspective is the only one most fellas
can have any sort of articulate take on without pandering to the
ladies like a stand-up comic at a church function.
It IS wrong, or at least distasteful, to continually use
'womyn' instead of 'women' or 'woman,' though. You have got a
point there.
As for the Paul Rust music bashing, this does make me sad. I
also listened to these songs. I liked them. I will not be
buying the album, but I did like them. If Paul Rust records an
album that sounds like he does sound live, I will maybe buy that
one.
That said, as distasteful as anonymous posting has become to
me lately (To clear the record and my chest, I have anonymously
posted messages as "Boy" and "albfg," as well as writing a couple
of the "heather" posts and helping out with ideas on some of the
impersonations.) and especially as distasteful as anonymous venom
slinging has become to me, this would be the place to review
Paul's album, as it was advertised here. (And this would be the
place to advertise it, as No Shame is probably Paul's most
promising market.)
Of course, by 'review,' I mean 'give feedback about' or 'opine
on the topic of' I wish No Shame were actually a workshop,
instead of just occasionally pretending to be instead of
admitting that it really is just a show we're not paid for
performing and that we do this to sate our need for attention.
Who is this,
Arlen?
Subj: BoardRoom: That's right. Even more.
From: lemminger@hotmail.com (Arlen)
Time: Tue, 06-Mar-2001 01:00:31 GMT IP: 128.255.111.4
I respect all three, Neil Campbell, Nick Clark, and Brad
Smith. I realized upon reading what I wrote again that, guessing
at stresses and meanings might lead one to think differently and
two to Tango.
And I also realized I have more to say.
It is true that a flawless performance, or one that seems as
though it takes no effort, is often boring. But. With
unavoidable exceptions, interesting bands with little talent are
interesting in spite of this lack and not because of it. And I
have seen Paul Rust play twice; there is no lack of talent there.
(You cleared up that this was not what you were insinuating, but
it was still your leaping point...) And, where I'm from
(Chronologically: Hollywood, CA; Phoenix, AZ; Los Angeles, CA;
somewhere in Orange County, CA; Anaheim Hills, CA; Riverside, CA;
Moreno Valley, CA; Montclair, CA; Upland, CA; Iowa City, IA;
Chino, CA; Iowa City, IA) an untalented band playing an
uninspired melody, which is what I assume 'tritish' means, is
generally thought of as bad. Do you need an example? Listen
to The Mr.T Experience.
I do not want to validate the opinion of "Bleah," and I do not
agree with it, but I also do not agree with your defense.
-Arlen
Subj: BoardRoom: Partial review, no more to come
From: JerkyPnut@aol.com (Hahn)
Time: Tue, 06-Mar-2001 03:19:11 GMT IP: 24.183.162.188
ANNOUNCEMENTS/ORDER: Campbell, Clarke
If you were in the audience wondering who the fuck-up the light
booth was who couldn't flicker with the pace and accuracy of Chris
"Mother of All Light Board Operators" Okiischi, that was me.
I am learning.
1. "Wannabe Baby Carriage" by Thomas Kovacs
[Kovacs; comic monologue] Torn Condom finds comfort in Miss
Carriage.
Could barely hear it from the lighting booth. Without a script, I
strained my ears listening for the, "but that's just impossible,"
end line.
There are Xerox machines on this campus.
3. "You Know What I Hate?" by Pookman
[Pookman; stand-up comedy] Answer: Weebles, "Black Dog," Captain
Planet, "cock piercings," more.
Probably my favorite of Pookman's pieces, though the script was
much better than what he actually performed. His partial
improvisations gave the performance energy, but at the cost of
economy. He started rambling, and everything suffered.
Every week, I hope "Pookman" will be revealed as a mere persona,
with a writer/performer underneath who has hopes and fears deeper
than cock piercings.
Every week, I am disappointed.
Pookman, do you have a real name?
4. "My Lovelife at Age Twelve" by Nella Christo Arbock
[?, Hansen, Clark; monologue] Jr. high Nirvana cover band
singer insights crush.
I have never more enjoyed a serial piece. Every episode is
something new, and every time I want more.
Will ever a male be asked to read as Nella?
5. "The Deadlies; Part One: The Blue Cow" by Julie Shell
[Luxton, King; pornographic monologue] Sex acts explicitly
described at unwitting audience member.
Watching Erin react was great, but a more inhibited/less willing
girl would have been greater.
The line about coming home to find your stuff stolen was the best
clump of words to fall from the stage all night.
9.5 "A Song" by Sean
[Mike Brooks, Sean; song] "We play a song; ladies swoon; lights
down."
Liked the sound, could not hear the words.
If I didn't review your piece, that probably means my love
for it could see no faults.
Remember when writers used to send in their scripts to be
made public on the web page? Yeah, neither do I.
My face doesn't work,
Adam
Subj: BoardRoom: Stammering Stamina and Little Green Truc
From: email@email.com (TwoCents)
Time: Wed, 07-Mar-2001 05:00:30 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
I am only going to review one skit. Not because I didnt like
any of the others or even because the others where beyond
critism but out of admiration for the actor who flopped about on
stage, for more than four minutes I might add. Now thats
Stamina! We have seen it before folks, when Paul was avoiding
relatives and was caught in the act, what a golden memory. Paul
how do you do it????
On the Iowa city front page it says something like 'if you get
lost follow the truck home' and for the longest time it was a
horse! A horse?(horsees is not trucks?) and now it is a truck,
what a concept. Hooray!
Arlen fuck your animosity, I mean anonymous--ity,
-TwoCents
Subj: BoardRoom: I'm new
From: blue__seraph@hotmail.com (Sir Smile-A-Lot)
Time: Thu, 08-Mar-2001 04:14:37 GMT IP: 208.129.184.68
I'm new.....last week was my first performance. The two other
reviews were great, but I was hoping for alittle more feedback
on the skit I was involved in (The Misadventures of Social
Anixety Disorder). I'm hoping to make frequent visits to this
stage, so I want to know what my fellow actors and I need to
work on to make you accept us into your inner circle, thus,
making us cool beyond words..by the way...I'm Seth, the one with
the big hair and the glasses....
Subj: BoardRoom: re: I'm new
From: bromarks@aol.com (smart hansen)
Time: Thu, 08-Mar-2001 18:04:10 GMT IP: 128.255.111.241
:I'm new.....last week was my first performance. The two other
:reviews were great, but I was hoping for alittle more feedback
:on the skit I was involved in (The Misadventures of Social
:Anixety Disorder). I'm hoping to make frequent visits to this
:stage, so I want to know what my fellow actors and I need to
:work on to make you accept us into your inner circle, thus,
:making us cool beyond words..by the way...I'm Seth, the one with
:the big hair and the glasses....
Hi, Weird Al! It's good to see you are okay after that lengthy
career of song parody. So you want to be a No Shame star. Well,
here's some advice from one who has:
1. Be girls. Nothing impresses No Shame audiences and performers
more than those gutsy and talented females who break through that
testosterone barrier and actually write and perform. What's even
more impressive is when they do it more than once.
2. Make fun of things that are usually takne seriously, or take
seriously things that are usually made fun of. Watch your otpions
open before your bespectacled eyes!
3. Look like a comedic recording artist. Hey, wait a second!
But seriously now, and all kidding aside, I really liked your thing
last week, and I would just say keep doing what you do. No Shame is
(supposed to be) about diversity and surprise, so bring to the
stage only what you can bring, and not what Arlen can or Paul can
or Jim Wolfe can. Do what you feel like doing, that's all I feel
like telling you.
Subj: BoardRoom: Daily Iowan Thurday March 8
From: email@email.com (TwoCents)
Time: Thu, 08-Mar-2001 19:34:35 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
80 hours section page 5C under "friday" of A-&-E weekly Calender:
Theater:
No Shame Theatre, Theatre B, 11p.m.
Whats that about?
also
Music:
Ben Schmitt, Mill, 9p.m., no cover.
Yea!
Subj: BoardRoom: 10-min No Shame...er, Play Festival
From: cokiishi@hotmail.com (Quiche)
Time: Thu, 08-Mar-2001 20:26:40 GMT IP: 207.165.237.210
Slightly off topic, but I just wanted to urge everyone who has a
free night to go see the "10-minute Play Festival" tonight, as
this is your last opportunity to see a pretty terrific
production.
I saw the plays last night, through the good graces of one
Michael Cassady who got Adam and I seats. Some thoughts:
1) Gosh, there were a lot of No Shame regulars and irregulars
and former writers and board members. In fact, you'd be hard
pressed to find a play NOT directly involving someone who has
done something at No Shame.
2) Generally good writing. Mike Cassady's piece was a nice
stretch for him away from "skit-comedy" to something more
lifelike, serious and real. Some of the more carefully observed
moments in a fictional couples' life I've seen at Iowa--even
down to Christopher Stover sporting semi-wood while attempting
to playfully seduce his girlfriend. I think we've all been
there. And while I saw the bitter ending coming, it was none-
the-less effective and haunting. Neil Campbell's closer was a
knock-out assault. From the moment Stubble is launched into a
backflip, through some hysterically self-involved shadowdancing,
this was a solid piece, well executed and ended. And, more than
any other piece of the evening, took advantage of the space and
used it to full effect. Sarah Greer's "Avalanche" was startling
in its maturity, perhaps the best at using text to show a
character's motivation and history rather than simply telling
it. Absolutely real--I felt like I'd met these people before.
3) Strong performances abound. "Shoes: The Musical" was the
most No-Shamey piece of the evening, probably because it had
used No Shame as a workshop space (remember "Pants! The
Musical"?). Brought more to life than it perhaps deserved, I
have rarely laughed so hard in the theater building. Cassady
suggested our seating so we could enjoy "the Full Paul Rust" and
that we did! I'd love to see a piece with him and Jamal going
head to head in a comic dance-a-thon. Mark Hansen provided some
classical Hansenian moments ("...footwear?", pause, looks for
his foot, finds it, gestures with relief), and some gracefull
mock ballet. A great first act ender. All the No Shamers give
terrific performances in a variety of roles. Aaron Galbraith
flips, fights with rope, is kicked in the face and plays the
piano, all while battling cancer, yet never loses the character,
nor plays for the laugh. I'd have liked to have seen more of
Mary Fons, but she makes the most of a monologue-heavy Will
Nedved play. I was a bit sad that, due to the fact that they
wrote or directed pieces, some of the best of No Shame actor's
were left to off stage participation, but I guess you can't have
everything.
4) Reasonably hot guy with great chest gets wet and takes off
his shirt. What more motivation do you need?
10-minute Plays
Thursday, March 8th at 8:00 pm (get there by 7:15 for tickets!)
Theater A
Not to be missed. Especially in a week with no Shame.
Subj: BoardRoom: Shhhhhhh
From: echo@echo.com (Where'd everybody go)
Time: Tue, 13-Mar-2001 15:53:38 GMT IP: 24.15.111.254
Why's it so quiet in here?
Where is everybody?
Hello?
Hello?
Is No Shame Dead?
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Shhhhhhh
From: NoShame@mort.com (No Shame)
Time: Tue, 13-Mar-2001 20:47:47 GMT IP: 128.255.95.37
:Is No Shame Dead?
Why yes, I am!
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Shhhhhhh
From: classic@eighties.commercials (Jean-Luc)
Time: Tue, 13-Mar-2001 23:01:24 GMT IP: 64.12.102.163
:Why's it so quiet in here?
:Where is everybody?
Arby's.
Roast Beef sale.
Subj: BoardRoom: Bored on Wednesday?
From: strangelove45@hotmail.com (paul rust)
Time: Wed, 14-Mar-2001 00:59:15 GMT IP: 128.255.200.7
ROGER: It's Wednesday night and I sure am bored.
KEN: Me, too. Whatever is there to do?
ROGER: There's The Subordinates' last show at the Green Room
around nine.
KEN: Boo to them! Let's go to a high school track meet instead!
Later, on their way to the track meet, Roger and Ken were
tragically killed in an automobile accident. Don't let this
happen to you. Trick death and come see The Subordinates at the
Green Room on Wednesday night around nine instead.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Shhhhhhh
From: Helltits@boobs.com (Holy Boobs!)
Time: Wed, 14-Mar-2001 03:54:52 GMT IP: 208.129.184.95
::Is No Shame Dead?
:
:
Why yes, I am!
:
:
But...if you dead....then how?....AGGHHHHH
Subj: BoardRoom: Welcome to Rockville!
From: aaron-galbraith@uiowa.edu (Stubble)
Time: Thu, 15-Mar-2001 19:59:14 GMT IP: 205.188.200.31
Anyone that missed Paul Rust's band at the Green Room last night
just might as well kill themselves, is what I think. It was your
last chance ever to see them perform live. Don't you just feel
like a big warty sphincter muscle?
The Subordinates officially broke up last night, but their CD is
still available for $5. I listened to it this morning and it's
almost as good as doing oral sex on Paul is. I highly suggest
all of you try both and decide for yourself.
To pursue the former, try:
thesubordinates@hotmail.com
-or-
358-6864
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Fairchildreview
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (JC Stanglxton)
Time: Sun, 18-Mar-2001 16:52:40 GMT IP: 4.4.74.121
:15. "The ATM Outside Secret Nails" by Chris Stangl
Once again, I can't remember anything. I'll wait for more
:reviews that might spark a memory and hope they don't sway
:my opinion. Not likely, though.
1. To read this portion of your post, which was cut off due to
length, one must hit the POST REPLY button and scroll down and
down.
2. Why bother to quote and post a whole paragraph of non-content?
3. Q: Since I can get nearly no useful feedback: Are people
forgetting my pieces because of unmemorable writing/ performance,
or because they're so late in the show, or none of the above?
I'm not fishing for an "Oh Chris, your writing is always not-
unmemorable aka memorable!" I AM fishing for a "Chris, maybe if
you'd write about more dead babies like you used to, we'd
remember your pieces, because the public is fickle and thrill-
seeking aka shallow and stupid. Please don't challange us." Well
shit, SEE if any of you get a place in the order next Friday.
Whoremongers.
-Why Did You Drink So Much Whiskey Last Night,
Chris Stangl?
Subj: BoardRoom: No Shame
From: Hellion@eatit.com (Hellion)
Time: Mon, 19-Mar-2001 02:40:56 GMT IP: 208.129.184.168
Is there no shame this friday?....
Subj: BoardRoom: re: No Shame
From: art@avalon.net (Adam Burton)
Time: Mon, 19-Mar-2001 12:46:50 GMT IP: 24.6.203.121
:Is there no shame this friday?....
Yes, there really is. Not sure which theatre thougth. Are we
still in Mabie, or is B finally available?
-Adam
Subj: BoardRoom: re: No Shame
From: aaron-galbraith@uiowa.edu (Stubble)
Time: Mon, 19-Mar-2001 17:56:04 GMT IP: 205.188.197.184
::Is there no shame this friday?....
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Yes, there really is. Not sure which theatre thougth. Are we
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still in Mabie, or is B finally available?
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-Adam
Yes, we are in B. We might have to wait to use the space,
though, as "A Dress for Mona" will be happening from 8:00
until ?:00. My guess is the show will be cleared out and the
space open no later than 10:45, probably earlier.
Subj: BoardRoom: OT: To AL ANGEL
From: cokiishi@hotmail.com (co-quiche-ey)
Time: Mon, 19-Mar-2001 20:01:14 GMT IP: 207.165.237.210
Mary Stuart Masterson will be in the ever popular Rosie
O'Donnell show a week from Thursday (eg. 3/29). Thought you
would like to know!
Subj: BoardRoom: re: OT: To AL ANGEL
From: tomatoman@nozebone.zzn.com (opticAL)
Time: Mon, 19-Mar-2001 21:16:10 GMT IP: 128.255.109.52
Chris:
Thanks!!!
--Al.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: OT: To AL ANGEL
From: cokiishi@hotmail.com (+))
Time: Mon, 19-Mar-2001 22:48:18 GMT IP: 207.165.237.210
You're welcome!
Subj: BoardRoom: Where O Where is Chris Oh Quiche-ee?
From: edmundscott@earthlink.net (edmund scott)
Time: Tue, 20-Mar-2001 00:43:16 GMT IP: 158.252.164.230
Does ANYONE anyone anyone? have Chris' e-mail? (Knead him for a
piece this Fri). Help me help oh! help I can't even spell his__
alas!__name!
jc
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Where O Where is Chris Oh Quiche-ee?
From: gretagarbo@rawk-star.com (Aprille)
Time: Tue, 20-Mar-2001 01:24:06 GMT IP: 205.244.160.59
:Does ANYONE anyone anyone? have Chris' e-mail? (Knead
him for a
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piece this Fri). Help me help oh! help I can't even spell
his__
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alas!__name!
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jc
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ahem. click on his name on the message he wrote for Al.
and knead him on your own time.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Where O Where is Chris Oh Quiche-ee?
From: edmundscott@earthlink.net (edmundscott)
Time: Tue, 20-Mar-2001 05:55:24 GMT IP: 158.252.164.203
Much obliged.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Fairchildreview
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (Fair-choo-choo)
Time: Tue, 20-Mar-2001 17:09:34 GMT IP: 128.255.109.21
Well, Chris, I posted a whole paragraph of non-content because if
one writes nothing people wonder just why the hell the reviewer
neglected it. So instead of putting you through that torture I
gave you a reason for my not reviewing it. Sorry you had to go
through the trouble of a few more clicks for absolutely nothing.
But I guess I raised more questions than I answered. But I'l try
to answer them.
Let me say right now and with emphasis galore that the problem with
your pieces is NOT the writing. Sometimes I get incredibly jealous
of your writing and I want to wear your skin. This was partially
the reason behind the "Someday I Will Steal Chris Stangl's Seat"
piece I did. I think what makes me sometimes don't remember your
pieces (and this doesn't happen often) is that a lot of the time
there is a lack of energy. But maybe I'm interpreting lack of
energy as lack of connection to the audience. Or maybe I'm not
seeing either on some nights. Take "The Graverobbing Lesson" for
instance. Energy flying out from every one of your orifices and at
times the audience was really into it. But a lot of the time it
seems like a "Fuck the audience, this is for my amusement," type
thing going on. And I'm not knocking you for that. I can
understand that. We all can. Or maybe I don't understand you at
all. What do you think?
So for a simple answer to your question, it is not the writing. If
anything it is the performance.
wuv,
dan
Subj: BoardRoom: Blarg!
From: Reno_5@hotmail.com (Jared Droll)
Time: Thu, 22-Mar-2001 18:15:05 GMT IP: 216.248.77.1
yes it is true. it was seth who cut and pasted the
fatchicksinpartyhats.com thing on here. so fuck you!
Subj: BoardRoom: spuge
From: Flaming__duck@hotmail.com (The real Neal Campbe)
Time: Thu, 22-Mar-2001 18:25:28 GMT IP: 216.248.77.1
look here balls, you dirty mother fucker, my name is neal
campbell yeah that's right neal not your little pussy neil you
stupid fuck ass eat my pussy, oh wait your grandma already did
sorry about all that goodbye fucker!
Subj: BoardRoom: re: spuge
From: Penis@vagina.cum (Penis)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 00:53:20 GMT IP: 128.255.107.157
:look here balls, you dirty mother fucker, my name is neal
:campbell yeah that's right neal not your little pussy neil you
:stupid fuck ass eat my pussy, oh wait your grandma already did
:sorry about all that goodbye fucker!
Um? Al?
Subj: BoardRoom: Review One
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Christangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:05:28 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
YOUNG POETS'S VOICES ARE MARKED
Chris Stangl
This is an epic series of reviews of all this season's
NSTs I never got around to bashing.
I read Stephen King's "On Writing" for reasons to
horrible to contemplate, and it is full of quality advice of the
"omit needless words," "feedback from writers circles is useless
bullshit" variety.
Most of the boardroom reviews are useless. I mean
that: when someone says they "could really identify with your
character," or you had "good use of imagery," what in the
Christfuck are you going to DO with that data as a writer or
reader? When someone "can't remember this piece," do you nod
and say "yes! Yes, I too cannot remember that piece?"
If I have comments on a piece, they are below. Some of these
you have to remember the piece, some not. No comment = I have
nothing useful for you, or was taking a urinate during YOUR
PIECE. It will be too long for me to proof thoroughly. There
will be nonsensical sentences.
Friday, January 26th, 2001
1)"Science Lesson," Stangl
The science of this piece (you can get drunk by consuming
vomit) is actually very poor, as the reason you are drunk is
that the alcohol is already in your bloodstream. You may,
however, be able to get drunk by slitting a lush's throat and
lapping at the spurting bounty.
3) "I Went to School with _Unabomber," Fairchild
The problem isn't that this is a one-gag piece, but that
it doesn't recognize itself as a one-gag bit and flails around
smacking it's gag with a mace until there's gag-chunks all over
the spiked ball. What you've got is a comic variant of the
"Outer Limits" announcer telling you that we control the
horizontal, but the meat of the piece is rotten, because I can
see the script. Sometimes pieces need to be memorized, and it
is NOW.
4) "Winter Poem," Nepstad
Young poets's voices are marked by a sameness, and a
need to continually report on weather conditions and fire and
stars and grass and how these relate in symbolic ways to
emotions. And I like snow and fire and stars, but if you're
writing a snow poem you've got competition stiffer than Hugh
Hefner at a breast feeding convention, so you'd better have
something new and blazing to say about snow.
5) "Using the HawkID," Hansen
Here begins Hansen's stream-of-consciousness period,
though I suspect we've seen it before and his stream just pans
full of puns. There's nothing here to sink your teeth into: not
story, not character, not even language beyond airy half-
images. But: This work is admirable for being so off the cuff
(I am told it was a writing class exercise) and genuinely
experimental (see, in real experiments you don't KNOW the
outcome), and that is braver than most No Shame for some two
semesters.
6) "People Vs. Mickey Mouse," Kovacs
The need to fling bile at Disney corp. is
understandable, whether with the care of academic attack
(classic Marxist tract "How to Read Donald Duck") or by silly
debasement (NST classic Brooks/ Erwin's "Lawsuit Theatre"), or
both (my own "A Mickey Mouse Cartoon"). The premise here is
straight out of the dork heaven of high school Mock Trials, but
the dork appeal of Mock Trial is that there's heavy research and
at least minimal attention to actual court procedure involved.
Not only doesn't Kovacs demonstrate understanding of the real
problems in Disney's business practice and/or artistic
shortcomings/ crimes, but his weak premises aren't borne out by
his supporting research. For random example: 1930's short
"Cactus Kid" is accused of reinforcing "lines between black,
white and red" in America's youth. But how? And I don't mean
some abstract argument about cause/ effect of art consumption/
human behavior: I mean HOW are billions of modern toddlers
seeing "Cactus Kid"- a cartoon from 1930- all of the time, when
it's more likely they be seeing "Pocahontas"? Things continue
that way, with no comprehension or discussion of historical
contexts, comedy traditions, etc. It is the laziness of the
writing and not the joke that these arguments don't hold water.
Since when is "living in sin" a criminal offense?
7) "Tie a Yellow Curtain," Clarke
Q: does a crack whore care if men think she's good at
blowjobs? A: Only if it sets up a punchline. We're being asked
not to empathize with this character's destructive sex and drug
problems, so that we can laugh at her tossed-off gross out cum
jokes. You "get" that, and you get, too, how the reversal at
the end makes you recognize how a relatively tiny human tragedy
now makes you weep. But it's a cop-out this time. Because
you're feeling bad for a little kid and a sad mom, and the
mirror doesn't get turned: you're still not guilty of laughing
at child abuse and drug and prostitution jokes. Or maybe it's
not a cop out so much as a schmaltz-out: wouldn't it be harder
to milk some ramifications for what we were just mocking? This
is me, asking to be punished.
Subj: BoardRoom: Review Two
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:07:42 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
9) "Wars and Sawa," Lawson
Bonus points for no casual deaths sans ramifications.
Points off for saggy midsection. Omit needless. If the main
motifs never really gel, maybe it's okay when the central image
is broken bodies stitched together, and how they don't thrive,
but die. There's not much performance in Lawson pieces
anymore. That doesn't just mean no funny accents or physical
comedy. Lawsonprose merits aside, we're watching short stories
read allowed: plenty of mono, no logue. Were I giving Arlen a
worksheet of practice exercises, I'd force him to practice
writing dialects or at least in speech patterns not clearly his
own rambling SoCal run on sentences.
10) "Angel's Song," Negron
It doesn't matter how heartfelt a greeting card is, it's
still cardboard and bad watercolor lilies. I'd wonder at the
appeal of a pretty voice and guitar devoid of idiosyncrasy or
any style, but realize: it's strictly functional.
11) "Friday Night," Pookman
Stop me if you've seen this on a dorm room poster or
novelty keychain, but the reason beers is better than womens are
all junior-high tee-hee-ain't-I-edgy-telling-sexist-jokes. It's
only offensive in the abstract scenario that you could be taking
mostly swiped, moldy jokes seriously, and it only works if your
audience is with you or genuinely offended. Advice: either
connect with and milk a stand-up audience or establish a clearly
antagonistic persona.
12) "Turn of the Century," Campbell
The noble experiment pays off in my FACE. The language
(run on sentence fragments and mixy metaphore) justifies the
manic chanting performance, but the structure (tiny vignette
glimpses of the main road, like you're reading in the car at
night and can see only when passing under a streetlight) is
maybe maybe maybe too detail oriented to be rushed through.
Same time, the downhill headrush is intoxicating but maybe maybe
I've seen it before and I know NballsC can talk fast, sooooo_
13) "Idiot Caleb's Yard Sale," Stangl
I am haunted by the specter of a long-ago (Dan Brooks)
line "Remember when I said this'd be a story about girls? I
LIED," and built this piece to chase it away. My horoscope said
to. Story: I did this monologue many moons ago where I
pretended to trip on my vampire cape and bloody my nose on the
floor, and I was so inadvertently convincing that the audience
was audibly concerned, making me feel like a shit for a stupid
slapstick gag. I wanted to recapture that. I couldn't.
*******************************
Friday, February 2nd, 2001
0.25. "National Anthem," Erwin
James does not sound like Tom Waits, of course, and I'm
not sure how funny his impressions would be if he did. As
stands, funny like a Dana Carvey George Bush.
2. "Stupid, Stupid Idiots," River
Lesson learned: Comedy sketches are functional beasts,
and their job is to jump in the ring, pound your face into the
shape of their joke, and run away before the ref screams "that
was a bear, not a boxer!" Why bother with overly fleshy
characters and anything but boiled-bones dialogue: "I'm in a
sour mood!" man, that's all you need. The gracefulness of J.
River writing is that grace of a stripped down first draft.
3. "Oysters on the Half Shell," Angel
I don't find children's entertainers cursing inherently
funny, though I am a minority. Eastman and Laird's original,
dark TMNT comics were conceived partially as a joke (ninjas
fast, turtles slow, get it!?), though America tends to forget
that in lieu of the My Little Pony With Nunchucks cartoons.
That's funny. It's funny that with all the spikes and swords
and explosives no one on that cartoon is ever hurt_ There are
inherently funny things about TMNT. That such a thing merely
exists is funny, but Eastman and Laird beat Al Angel to that
joke, see?
4. "Barbarus Inepticus," Kovacs, Negron
The homophobia of a typical evening of No Shame is
tempered by being generally confined to character performances,
those views being generally satirized and that homophobia being
generally disapproved. Generally this sketch simply presented a
fag stereotype without shedding light, criticizing or doing
anything else to make the liberal audience feel better about
this stereotype. And if it weren't being presented in such
juvenile, self-serving circumstances, it might be offensive
instead of just ignorant and hackneyed.
Beyond that, the on-stage haircutting was gimmick beyond
reproach, with no support bra, and nothing non sequitur enough
to weird out, say, my mom, were that the goal.
6. "Stammer," Rust
My tolerance for self-reflexivity breaks when it's so
clumsy as the finale where the author criticizes the works'
shortcomings. Everyone has to get this out of their system a
couple times in Playwriting One (that and the ending where
everyone dies at the end in a meteor crash, because it was five
am and you had no real ending), and after that you realize that
instead of noting that your writing is judgmental and awkwardly
didactic, you should just fix those problems directly, instead
of slapping cover-up on them.
Subj: BoardRoom: Review Three
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:09:09 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
8. "Needle, Fluid_," Clarke
Too complex in movement and language to avoid
rehearsal. The grace of the story needs matching movement, and
Mark and Aprille's fine readings get marred by their bodies
flopping around on the table. The solid milk chocolate poetry
of the main image of a ghost slipping into a dead lover's IV is
so strong and beautiful the Arlen-Lawson-style gradual-
information-release is just distracting.
10. "Dickbreath -&- the Devil," Lawson
My enthusiasm for this piece is exactly opposite of how
I felt about how "Homemade Surgery" rambled at the end. If
Lawson pieces had been getting too baroque, "Dickbreath" feels
like a man with an idiotic joyous wild hair up his ass making
shit up as he goes along, damn the research and prep scrubbing.
"Homemade" chugged along until it felt it needed a right turn
into the unexpected, "Dickbreath" was just a stupidass joyride,
and that is the difference.
14. "Run Around Town," Campbell
_but this time around there's a big to-do about what
now? There's silly and gross jokes here and they're stacking up
and up and finally I see a coherent, interesting world built out
of the NST trope of characters with funny nicknames and how they
got them and dead baby ceilings, and it builds and builds and
stops.
15. "Heaven's Percolator," Stangl
If you enjoyed this work, please see also:
"The Howling Man" episode, Twilight Zone
"Will The Real Martian Please Stand Up?" episode, Twilight Zone
"Printer's Devil" episode, The Twilight Zone
"The Reform of the Apple" Jim Woodring, Jim Magazine Vol 2 No 3
******************************
Friday, February 9th, 2001
0.5. "The Breathalyzer Test," Stangl
Note on The One Nick Clark criticized for not actually
being about alcohol: a) I make no promise my blackouts will
concern drinking culture b) many- "Kissing Booth" "The Fight"-
are not about liquor.
2. "Out Cold," River
The finest piece you saw 2-9-01, and you envy the
kaleidoscopic invention and straightforward dialogue and the
good-clean-jokes ("it's under the hat! I can see it pokin'!")
and that rarest of punchlines: one that makes "sense" and is
also "funny."
3. "Even the Internet Manifesto," Luxt-_er, Hrbek
I'm not really scared of computers, and I don't think
people will stop reading paper books anymore than they stopped
reading when they invented Books On Tape, and I don't know why
an Internet in every home is any scarier than a telephone in
every home, and people don't want computer chips in their
brain. And if you were really a Luddite you wouldn't have used
a laser printer for your light booth copy. Bum legged as
character piece, fulla shit as opinion piece. But you already
read "1984" in high school.
4. "The Dan Fairchild," Bowman
The triumph of "Fairchild" is that it was written For a
performer, but didn't pander to his strengths and avoid his
weaknesses. The transcendent moment of rhyming "Dog" with
"Orange Dog" will live for 30 years! (Why is: because it's a
concrete joke in a sea of nonsense, but how you think of a joke
that good is: a magic trick secret).
Subj: BoardRoom: Review Four
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:10:49 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
5. "My Lovelife at Age Four," Arbock
The questions unearthed here are big nasty ones,
nastier than ones about war and nukepower, but "How do children
love?" "What/ how are we supposed to learn from mistakes, in
concrete terms?" "Can children love as adults do?" and "How do
you tell crush from love when you're buried in it?" You know
that. The mystery is "how did I derive those questions from
what felt like a kind of uneventful story and a sketchy
character on whom I could get no grip?" The solution is show
show show, and hush hush on the tell, which is the advice I hand
to 9.5, Tuttle's "Coastline."
6. " I Wanna Rape Your Hand," Rust
The Opposite Sketches from "You Can't Do That On
Television," only_ BLUE. Given that rape is Bad, given that
Jocks are Assholes, given these givens, the only way to make
this entertaining is if Paul Rust is an engaging performer, and
whup! Narrow win.
7. "Monkey Feces_," Lawson
How To Write: Make the story, then notice its important
themes, then rewrite, coaxing those themes out into the street
until the Schwann's truck hits them. There's a clever,
satisfying rhythm here, with tiny fragments preceding a mini-
monologue. Most of posts here complained about the monologue
stuck on the end of the sketch; they might reconsider: perhaps
the piece was imploding; busted flowerpot shards dropping into
formation, growing a begonia. That the connective tissue was
not readily apparent to the audience, though, is usually the
writer's fault.
8. "I Love to Fuck My Wife," Fairchild
My feelings are elsewhere documented.
9. "That Sad Story of That Lady I Know," Clarke
Early superhero comics' primitive narration would say things
like "Batman threw the bound, gagged counterfeiters into the
river!" and show Batman throwing the bound, gagged
counterfeiters into the river. Except here that literalness is
the joke, and that's so gratifyingly smart I was applauding it
alone, never mind the tears-of-a-raped-clown stuff. Lesson:
Learn from and subvert bad storytelling.
10. "Song," Okiishi
The Okiishi Character reminds me of when Bugs Bunny is in
medieval times, or the Guys That Eat Poop Jamal and I used to
play. Even though supposedly a different "character" and in
different, not-necessarily-"true" situations, it's the same
heart in the same ribcage, and you don't want to rest until
you've seen him weigh in on every important subject. I'd been
waiting a long time for this one, the "it's harder to be friends
than lovers/ and you shouldn't try to mix the two." Strictly
Hush Hush, the trick is that you walk away feeling wistful and
wiser, while Okiishi didn't learn anything, right? It's humble
storytelling.
11. "The Horror," Angel
Balance problems here, mostly visual, of a stage mostly
busied with unimportant potential distractions while a trage-
logue of some weight should have been central.
12. "Britney Spears -&- No Shame Theater," King
There is no good "this is my first time at No Shame" piece. Not
JEST because it's an awful introduction, but because it doesn't
start you on the foot reading You Are A Writer, Who Happens To
Present Material At No Shame.
14. "The Goblin in Me," Campbell
There's a dearth of character monos not flying into
absurdist/ gross-out territory these days, save the Arbock
pieces. In other weather, this is stand out, this is scary-
funny, with little girls getting drowned in car trunks of
brine. At No Shame 2001, the pleasures are in Campbell's
growing dedication to letting a character find her language.
HEY! You can and should do that too!
15. "Frankie -&- Johnny," Stangl
Reference Materials:
Ed Cray, The Erotic Muse: American Bawdy Songs Second Edition
"Death Ship" episode, The Twilight Zone
American Folkways' Anthology of American Folk Music, Harry
Smith, Ed.
Subj: BoardRoom: Review Five
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:11:58 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
Friday, February 16th, 2001
1. "Little Shit's Birthday Present," Rust
How do you do this, the irritating nasty child with heart-
of-gold revealed at the end, without being "Problem Child 2"?
You just find the joke in how meanness is only funny to the
practitioner. The secret joke is that Judge Reinhold isn't
inherently funny, but for some reason making him an angel, even
though he's not dead, is. The lesson is about to what level the
inexplicable must be hoisted before it is comedy.
Look, I don't want to keep saying "Paul Rust's writing is flawed
but he's such a durn fun actor!," This time I've only one
problem: Why the heartfelt turnabout here? I don't even want to
care about this character, and after the first three fourths of
the piece, it's a tough sell that even Paul Rust cares about
this character.
2. "Oh Fudge," King
Comics artist Dan Clowes: "I say I `hate' Christians like
you might say you `love' pizza." Which is me saying that apart
from some barf jokes, the core lesson- save "love" for when you
mean it- is a sentence or two of material, but this piece was
more than a sentence or two long.
3. "The Last Word," Swatek
Remember how the only thing anybody had to say about Jack
Nicholson in The Shining was that he seemed crazy in the first
scene, so how can he go crazy later? Well I say that was wrong,
but it applies kinda-sorta here. Plainly, the goal of this
piece is to gripe about current events and how the media
functions in ways the audience will agree with, and gradually
escalate until these opinions can take no form but violent
opposition. The audience says "yikes, that could'a been me if
I's a little ca-razyer!" So let's assume we haven't seen this
before in various forms, approving and disapproving (Taxi
Driver, Network, Death Wish). The escalating callousness is in
the wrong order. Save the complaint that firefighters who save
lives don't deserve medals for way late in the piece, since no,
sorry, most of the audience isn't With You there: I'm not With
You from the get-go, so when you make the "revelation" of
madness, my feet aren't kicked out from under me.
5. "My Love Life at Age Six," Arbock
I walk away thinking about questions lovers ask like
"What do we have in common?" and why that matters to people more
than "What do we learn from each other?," when it should not.
Maybe you don't walk away like that, but at least note that
nobody died or aborted a baby with a pepper grinder. These are
admirable things, but I'm getting sense of little character
delineation. King is the only Arbock performer to stuff the
character into the age she was in the story, and it seemed a
wholly inappropriate choice.
7. "Peeing John Malkovich," Angel
Honest question: Why was the audience laughing during
this? Not because it wasn't funny, but WHY was it funny to you?
8. "Rosencrantz -&- Stansfield are Dead," Fairchild
My sore spots are: a) I think people DO know what Gary
Oldman's been in. b) the too-literal ending, where a lovely
question we should've been shown not told- What does it mean
that Gary Oldman die in all his roles?- is robbed of mystery and
resonance. The answer satisfactory, and knowing, but there's
no work for the audience to do after that. The pixie dust
schtuff is in the mystery: what kind of fucked up men play a
fucked up game like this? It's a madhouse_ a MADHOUSE!
9. "_Gay and Retarded," Clarke
I don't doubt by now Aprille's ability to think of gross,
gross sex jokes then flip it around and make us sad about it. I
also read about how if you have sex with a male dog the base of
the dog penis swells up and cannot be pulled out without risking
serious injury, and so you're stuck with the dog penis inside a
body cavity, no escape and you have to think about what you've
done until detumescence, and that takes HOURS. This didn't
really root out tough questions about power balances in sexual
relationships, but I dunno if it's conscience or what, a basic
humanity carried this one. The obligatory reversal this time
was really there this time, and in the end it's a woman mourning
and coping, dog fucking aside.
10. "Legend of Honest Tom," Lawson
If the moral of "The Ugly Duckling" is a sham, inventing
a new myth both to demonstrate that and fill the gap where "Ugly
Duckling" used to be is a big task. The structure here, if you
weren't paying attention, forced segments to do double duty,
variously postulating on the problems of three or four stories
and progressing those narratives. And that's a big task. And
there's nothing wrong with a folklore lesson- or rant- but it
is, I nearly promise you, going to disrupt (and, in memory,
overshadow) your narrative. And these are lovely, though I
don't think Arlen needs to be told that. I guess the question
is "How do you do the research, but not show it off?" I do not
know. I think the answer has to do with being humble. But I am
not a humble writer either.
11. "Number Blue," Tuttle
J. Wolf?_!
Subj: BoardRoom: Review Six
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:13:16 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
12.5 "This Will Only Hurt For a Moment," Okiishi
However spooky and unexpected it was for an audience to
watch Okiishi ram a needle in his arm, it was especially jarring
for the light booth operator, as his script contained no stage
directions, and I wasn't watching the action till halfway
through when suddenly a needle was about to go in an
Okiishivein. That's not really a review.
13. "A Total Waste of Time," Kovacs
Arlen Lawson laughed so hard he fell out of his seat and
smashed one of my shotglasses with his Lawsonass.
14. "The Problem with a Penis," Pookman
The mean-spirited homophobia which was obviously very badly
gauged for the NS forum- and wretched anywhere- aside (is it
possible to put that aside?)_ It peels a standup to his essence
when he opens his routine with "I was watching Seinfeld the
other day_"
15. "The Sensual Hitler," Stangl
My only regret is that my only conscious attempt to
generate a "catch-phrase" that would live beyond the piece
("Adolf Hitler SEXCAPADE") did not "take." I wanted to pass
elementary schoolers and hear them yelling "Adolf Hitler
sexcapade!" at one another.
****************##############************
Friday, February 23rd, 2001
1. "Two Twenty Three," Campbell
Applause for studious interest in time and space. My
understanding and regret for falling into irresistible trap of
writing gooey love piece for your lady fair. The best of these
("What Do You Do With a Drunken Sailor?" Brooks) feel like
universal gifts to the whole audience, and impossible to pin on
any one lapel. The most specific feel self-indulgent and I
suspect the worst make everyone in the audience, save one, feel
like their time is being wasted. I guess that isn't really
advice to Neil so much as anyone writing these in the future.
Also: It is very difficult to hurl an audience repeatedly across
geography and chronology without losing a dozen, confusing the
rest. It is a valuable skill. Were you watching NBCampbell
carefully? You at home can and should do this, too.
2. "My Lovelife at Age Eight," Arbock
Though you may call them otherwise, I say there is no
serial monologue here. There is a group of standalones on a
theme, by a common character. It's not serial storytelling. A
character emerges, gradually, and it's a complicated proposal,
reconciling the narrator's age and knowledge of her past with
the ability to relate a story reflecting the cognitive resources
available at the time. This may not be perfectly balanced, but
it's handled so you don't worry or think about it, and that's a
major hunk of the writer's job: closing the Employees Only doors
so you don't see anything you don't need.
3. "A LOVE Poem!," Nepstad
Okay, I PERSONALLY find rhyming sex jokes of limited
appeal. That is my problem alone, and I understand that
everyone loves rhyming sex jokes, and unlike capri pants, that
is not necessarily a bad thing. But if you are doing rhyming
sex jokes, treasure this demonstration, where there are actual
gags and puns, beyond the mere rhyming.
It's funny to harass and insult specific audience members,
right? Then why aren't Roasts funny? It has to do with
respect. Nobody AT the Roast REALLY holds the suckling pig in
contempt. Pauline Kael wrote a fine review of "Spaceballs," in
it explaining why Mel Brooks' "High Anxiety" isn't funny: Brooks
respects Hitchcock, and the satire is never convincing. You
have to be able to taste the hate.
4. "How to Hurt a Man," River
The reason most gangster movie satires are stinkers
("The Freshman," "Johnny Dangerously," "Mad Dog and Glory"
["Glory" isn't a stinker, but it's a stink as a mob satire]) is
that they are timid things, and mob movies are not, and nor
should satire. The reason "Hurt a Man" is a success isn't that
it has a brutal heart, but that it finds the itchy tag in the
back of the mafia shirt, the secret reason we won't say we like
mob movies, and takes it to task. We want to see men hurt each
other. The best scene in "Casino" is the head in the c-clamp.
The coolest, most exhilarating parts of "Goodfellas" are the
violent deaths. The showstopper of the entire "Godfather"
trilogy is the baptism/ massacre montage, and we all know these
things, but don't like to admit them. The writing lesson is to
say those things out loud anyway.
6. "Paperclip Eyebrows," Hansen
Like a missing story from "Without Feathers" that was missing
for a reason_ the pieces are there, but they just get sticked
together in an expected manner.
Subj: BoardRoom: Review Seven
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:14:51 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
7. "Feed the Ape for a Quarter," Fairchild
I have tried to write like a five year old before, and
it is hard, near impossible. Grown ups can't think of stories
like "an ape ate so much peppers that he popped," and when they
can, it is a revelation. Other lesson: Since people hate
performance art, if you must make it, make it physically
masochistic and humorous.
10. "Curse of the Kovacs Clan," Negron
Extraordinarily weird moments when front row thought
screaming, flailing Negron may actually be choking to death as
he shoved wads of paper in his mouth. Other than that, seemed
frustratingly improvised (don't improv anything that would be
better scripted SEEMS like an obvious rule_), any potential
bright spots drowned in big grey sea of dull. The
extraordinarily weird things deserved better, though in anything
not otherwise boring, the gagging may not be extraordinarily
weird, so perhaps there is no lesson to learn here. No idea how
or why this was a Tom Kovacs impression. Also weird. "Taste the
hate" lesson applies: unconvinced that this is a "send up" of
Tom Kovacs-- just that the two are friends giggling at
impressions of each other.
13. "Fantasmico," VanGorder
A) Central idea of a New York city menaced by giant chicken to
be found in Daniel Manus
Pinkwater's novel "The Hoboken Chicken Emergency."
B) Is this idea funny? For this to work, it has to be
inherently funny to say "Giant Chicken," since the premise isn't
taken in any other direction.
A+B) Lesson: you can't just have a silly idea. You have to do
something with it.
C) Also Arlen Lawson's first twelve pieces were about giant
chickens, also NOT FUNNY!
14. "The Pee-Hole Butt Turd. A Tale of Adventure," Angel
Fifty dollar title, thousand dollar improv by T. Kovacs,
who refused to leave the stage at the end, even though he
wasn't, say, doing anything. The shear unwelcomeness, rudeness,
creepyness and unauthorizedness of this performance wrecked an
otherwise hilarious piece but mostly by being a hilarious piece
unto itself. Sacrifices are always unruly.
15. "The Graverobbing Lesson," Stangl
I haven't flat-out bombed in a long time. It was
gratifying and fun.
********************%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%***********
Friday, March 2nd, 2001
1. "Wannabe Baby Carriage," Kovacs
When your whole piece is funny names, the names better
be pretty goddamn jolly-making. A way to avoid this is to make
sure your monologue doesn't hang on one joke.
2. "_Social Anxiety Disorder," Stapleton
There's this Premise, and you hang Jokes on it and then
there's a punchline. The next step is to do character work, and
better still to take any of this in a direction the audience
does not expect.
3. "You Know What I Hate?," Pookman
Among the unconvincing moments of "hate":
The totally botched rant against chicken fried chicken
could've been salvaged; wasn't.
You don't punch Weebles, since they're two inches high
(possibly he's confusing them with those clown sand-filled-base
punching bags?).
Pookman's clearly never had a "cock piercing," since you
usually get cock piercings if you LIKE cock piercings.
If you want me to understand that Meat Loaf is a bad
actor, you can't take it for granted. The three movies (Roadie,
Rocky Horror, Fight Club) I've seen Loaf in were remarkable for
fine performances by Meat Loaf.
Why exactly do you ever accidentally "blow your load all
over the wall"? Personally, when I'm "going at it" my load-
blower is in an orifice. Etc etc
Convince me (my discretion) that "I hate that there are
no white guys in the NBA! Put some white guys in the NBA!" isn't
deeply, stupidly racist and convince me the George-Reeves-
Superman-Ducks-Away-From-Thrown-Gun routine wasn't flatly
plagiarized I give you FIVE DOLLARS!
Subj: BoardRoom: Review Eight
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 02:16:06 GMT IP: 4.4.74.60
4. "My Lovelife at Age Twelve," Arbock
I'd say she's not learning from her mistakes, but I'm
not sure she's made any. I am likewise unsure how much love and
how much crush are in these experiences. If I had to play
Encompassing Themes, the snowballing tragedy is that perspective
and forewarning don't necessarily save us from making mistakes
or getting hurt in accidents that aren't mistakes. These
"Lovelifes"- and especially "Twelve"- remind me of one of my
favorite contemporary authors, Francesca Lia Block, who's
written a number of heartbreaking poetical realist novels they
stick in the Young Adult section. Her stories and the Arbock
"Lovelifes" are elemental, straightforward, but their questions
and emotions are complex, and glassy pink vines grow up around
them because they are honest.
5. "Deadlies;_ Blue Cow," Luxtonshell
I got no jollies from the prose, just watching Erin King
squirm, and really that was funnier in concept than practice_
what was she to do besides laugh and maybe blush? Smash a JC
Lux face? Pee? Well, I think she did, just a bit.
5.5. "How... Do You Spell Manifest Destiny?" Hill, Stangl, Angel
For the curious (why three writers it take for blackout gag!?):
it REALLY HAPPENED!
8. "Don't Call it a Comeback," Clarke
Instead of the midway-point revelation of sex with a
space alien throwing this world into disarray, it just feels
like lack of continuity. I can recognize that the fetal abuse
at various points of the story is some kind of motif or
recurring image or godknowswhat, but for Perdita Durango's sake
it's FETUS ABUSE, and that's a distracting motif for most
audiences. Even No Shame audiences. I don't mean they're
grossed out, I mean the story here seems to want to be about
sexing a space alien, but the fetus stuff is obviously (see next
sketch) going to strongarm anything else out of the picture.
9. "Stanley Klugman," Rust
Okay, so while there was a pretend back-ally abortion
happening, did you notice how a story casually got told with
three distinct spaces, visual events and dialogue that
juxtaposed the sight gags instead of just explaining them? Also
Paul Rust gets away with the clunkiest awkward jokes because his
very demeanor makes you positive, just POSITIVE that he's making
fun of the idea of jokes at all. That's not a cheat, that's
just cute.
10. "Sorry, 185 Chandeliers_," Galbraith
One thing funnier than an audience in awkward silence is
an audience that keeps getting forced into awkward silences.
Sometimes I think it doesn't matter if those silences are
intentional, because even though a good joke might have died an
unjust death, the silence is worth it TO ME.
11. "Fart `n' Stink," Angel
There's a No Shame genre called Old Man Beat Up, and
they're like B Westerns, where you know the story from the
poster, and the pleasure is will Keene Duncan be stealing water
rights or rustling cattle? Even way back when I had er,
difficulty with Al's work, he had the occasional steely eye for
perfect prop gag (I will never never live to forget Galbraith
with tits being ordered to smoke a disgusting rolled-up
Kleenex). Here it is the disgusting Old Man Treats, and I will
not forget them because they got shoved in my mouth.
12. "God in a Two-Bedroom Efficiency," Fairchild
If you ain't heard me say it yet, this would've been
improved tenfold had the line been "God, do you have to fuck my
table like that?" If you ain't heard A.E.E.J.Lawson say it, "I
seen that sketch a million times_ and it's always funny." And
Karen Scherf says "there's no such thing as a `two bedroom
efficiency' DOO-WAD!"
13. "He Was," King
There wasn't much Pleasure of Words here, that stuff
poet M. Doughty calls "mmm word sound pretty, word sound nice,"
and words are a poet's shaft and bow, so draw them hard and
steady. The smart choices were economy and editing, and a good
edit is one where the seams don't show.
14. "We Go Boom," Campbell, Cassady
You can learn anything you want from this, but_ John
Waters, who is the funniest screenwriter in history says that
when he sits down in his office and looks at the blank legal
pad, the only question in mind is: "What will make me and my
friends laugh today?" How to write comedy is make yourself
laugh. And then re-write it until it's lean. Here is a piece
which I assume made Neil and Mike laugh a lot, and I assume they
wrote some bad material which was excised. Some of it before it
hit the page. Notice how there's no wasted space or word in the
finished product? Notice this.
15. "The ATM Outside Secret Nails," Stangl
This is mostly a lie, because I have never seen anyone getting
their nails done at Secret Nails.
Subj: BoardRoom: wherzafrickinorder?
From: bubbla@dubbla.com (Ubber)
Time: Sat, 24-Mar-2001 18:49:31 GMT IP: 24.6.203.121
hrum?
Subj: BoardRoom: The Real Next Level
From: mrauthorboy@hotmail.com (Tom Kovacs)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 02:57:11 GMT IP: 128.255.189.150
With all of your permission, I'd like to quote some of the
feedback you've given me for a slightly longer No-Shamish piece.
You see, a friend of mine back home has asked me to combine
several of my No Shame pieces into a hackneyed 20 minute one act
play. I puzzled over this for a while and realized that the
best way to fit things together is a lot of editing and the
creation of a central character- a very critical director who
bashes all the works of all auditioning actors that come his
way. And, what better primary source of criticism for these
pieces than the reviews all of you people have written?
If any of you have any problems with this, please E-mail me so
that I know not to quote you. Otherwise, I'll just cite your
reviews and assume all is well.
I should be working on this project for about three weeks, if
any of you plan on making your language extra-colorful in your
reviews.
Thanks for everything-
Tom Kovacs
mrauthorboy@hotmail.com
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: Drunk@home.off (Wandering Drunk)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 04:01:33 GMT IP: 128.255.111.6
That is by far the stupidest idea for a ten minute play I have
heard since Shoes the Musical. I hope I have been of help in your
pursuit.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: norse@white.run (Stagnant Drunk)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 18:36:34 GMT IP: 64.197.224.77
:That is by far the stupidest idea for a ten minute play I have
:heard since Shoes the Musical. I hope I have been of help in
:your pursuit.
Incorrect. Kovacs=stupid idea. Shoes the Musical the ten minute
play=Pants the musical the five minute comedy No Shame
sketch=Pants the Musical the three minute comedy The State sketch.
Which yeilds the questions: does blatant plagiarism cease to be
blatant plagiarism when the circumstances of the work are altered
superficialy? Does it cease to be plagiarism entirely? I'm
afraid I have no answer for you.
I, too, hope I have been of help to you.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: spooge@yourface.com (spooge)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 19:35:48 GMT IP: 128.255.191.46
I'm afraid of the reason why you have no answer.
here it is: its not plagiarism if the writer doesnt know
what "The State" is because there would be no borrowing or
stealing of ideas. in fact, if the writer has never even heard
of "The State" then it makes for an innane connection. to further
my point, Shoes the musical the ten minute play came before pants
the musical the no shame sketch BUT the predecessor to shoes the
musical the ten minute play was "if life were a musical" which
was written two years ago for a high school sketch by the same
writer.
I, too, hope I have been of help to you.
Subj: BoardRoom: Order for 3-23-01
From: buttman@buttman.buttman (chributt me stangbut)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 20:36:21 GMT IP: 205.217.148.108
No Shame Theatre
3-23-2001
The lengths of the pieces are listed next to the titles/author
names. Lots of short pieces?! Yes! Awesome! Several people DID
go over 5 minutes, though, and are forever and always banned
from No Shame Theatre. Woohoo! My name is Chris Stangl!
ANNOUNCEMENTS/ ORDER: Campbell, Clarke
0.5 "The Girl Trouble Oracle" by Chris Stangl. 1:03
[Stangl, Lawson; comedy sketch] Liquor solves shyness, pregnancy.
1. "The Wrong Number Sketch-0" by Chimpanzee {Tom Knapp} 2:36
[Stangl, Knapp, River, Clarke; comedy sketch] Sadistic
telephone operator and parrot harass customers.
2. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part One: Microcosm" by Al Angel 0:21
[Angel, Clark; comedy sketch] A romance begins.
3. "Amanda's Storytime" by Amanda 2:36
[Amanda; comedy improv] Extemporaneous tale of "Arlen's Fat
Butt" involves Arlen's consumption of squirrel pee.
4. "Blind Man's Bluff" by Tom Kovacs 6:05
[Kovacs, Negron, Rust, Phoedra Gay, River, others; comedy
sketch] "Sam Negron" (Kovacs)'s blindness revealed as sham;
"Negron" beaten.
4.4. "Things That Were Wrong With `Batman and Robin'" by Joel
Schumacher )0:08
[?, ?; comedy sketch] George Clooney and Arnold Schwartzenegger
are those things. Blackout.
5. "Normalization" by Kate Chisolm 6:04
[Chisholm, ?, ?; comedy sketch] Bar girl's conscience laments
her bargirl behavior.
6. "My Lovelife at Age Sixteen" by Nella Christo Arbock 2:51
[Clarke; monologue] Nella consumes hallucinogen, crashes four
wheeler, contemplates naked man.
7. "Putty" by Lisa Day 4:46
[Day, ?; monologue] Unwanted grapefruit dooms would-be romance.
7.5. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part Two: Parallax" by Al "Horatio"
Angel 0:15
[Angel, Clark; comedy sketch] Romance now includes sexual
relations.
8. "Coming Soon" by Adam Burton 3:26
[Okiishi, Clarke, Cassady, Weird Al; comedy sketch] Trailer for
film featuring sunblock superheroes and "Floppy Porn Guy."
9. "Nobody Puts Baby In the Corner, OR Do You Wanna Wanna Mahna
Mahna" by Dan Fairchild 2:11
[Fairchild, Clarke; dance] Comic dance to Jim Henson's
"Monomonop."
10. "Who Do You Think You Are?" by Aprille Clarke 5:15
[Rust, Clarke, Fairchild; comedy sketch] Prostitute specializes
in golden showers; janitor pretends to be business mogul.
10.5. "Genre Pt I: Horror, Also Known as Comedy" by Arlen Lawson
0:28
[Campbell, Lawson; comedy sketch] Man debilitated by nerves of
steel. Everyone laughs instead of feeling sad.
11. "The Deadlies, Part Two; The Orange Pig" by Frank Schroeder
{J.C. Luxton} 7:00
[Luxton, Okiishi; comedy sketch] Man steals, eats pie,
contracts negative body image.
12. "Stillness a Mop a Kay" by Arly Farly 1:04
[River, Rust, Angel, Fairchild, Clark; musical piece] Jamal
bangs pot, leads marching chant.
12.5. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part Three: Resolution" by Al
"Pretty pretty pretty" Angel 0:17
[Clark, Angel; sketch] Romance dissolved on bus.
13. "My Own Private Sitcom" by Paul Rust 6:08
[Rust; comic monologue] Psychosis/ desperation leads boy to
enact family tragedy as one-man situation comedy.
14. "This Is Who We Are" by Neil "Balls" Campbell 4:38
[Campbell, Thompson, Lawson, Cassady, Galbraith, ?; comedy
sketch] Parade of horrors commonplace and extraordinary all
lost in apathy at restaurant.
15. "Brown Dead Leaves and a Dirty Broom" by Chris Stangl 6:20
[Stangl, River; autobio monologue] Small town spook story of a
body on a lawn passes between generations. River accompanies on
kalimba.
The missing cast for #5 is listed at the top of the script.
Whoever has the scripts will fill in this and other data, please
maybe?
Christopher Stangl
Subj: BoardRoom: My Pretty Numbers
From: neilerdude@hotmail.com (Balls)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 21:01:02 GMT IP: 205.244.161.9
Here are a few numbers with some thoughts after them:
1) Nobody who is accused of anything on this website by someone
who posts under a false psuedonym (as opposed to a true one
like, say, "Balls") and fake email address should feel any
obligation to answer to those accusations. I honestly don't know
if the people who post those anonymous posts are friends of mine
or total strangers, but I hate you all the same. When you accuse
someone anonymously, the accusee (is this even a word? is it
spelled correctly? I have no time to check) has but two options:
a) ignore the accusation (my preference, though then the
accusee's days might be haunted by the thought that if they
don't defend themselves against their anonymous accuser, then
everybody will think the accusation is true, and lose all
respect for the accusee, thus causing them to spit upon the
accusee's face in the middle of the street while screaming
vulgar insults regarding his/her birth mother at him/her), or b)
defend yourself (see previous parenthetical as to reasons why).
In defending one's self, though, the accusee has no single
individual to whom he/she may respond. If the accusation is
anonymous, it could have come from any one of us, and therefore
the accusee must respond to all of us. This is unfair. (Not to
mention that it gives those ISCA freaks too much ammo for their
own good. This is the only reason one might prefer ISCA to the
boardroom: it's a lot harder to remain anonymous there. However,
ISCA has too many downsides [the lack of anything graphic, the
unforgiving posting system, the fact that it is powered by coal]
to abandon the boardroom completely and head back in time to
ISCA.) But back to the anonymous thing and its being unfair.
There is no reason anyone should feel responsible to answer to
all of us regarding anything. If you have a problem with
someone's work and, for whatever reason, wish to discuss it in a
public forum, then post something here addressing the person
from whom you'd like a response, then SIGN YOUR OWN NAME/EMAIL
ADDRESS. Otherwise, that person owes you NOTHING. You ugly
bastard.
Example:
Here's a non-anonymous message from me, Neil "Balls" Campbell,
c/o neilerdude@hotmail.com, for whomever wrote those "Drunk"
posts: Fuck you. Same goes to the rest of you anonymous
shitheads who try to embarrass and insult others while being too
craven to leave your own name.
2) Profanity is at times a useful tool.
3) Shoes: The Musical was one of the funniest damn things I've
seen in a long time. There is no shame (yeah, I know) in being
entertaining. Since when is it out of fashion to entertain the
audience? I can tell you I'd much prefer to see Shoes: The
Musical than I would to see the masturbatory, self-important
crap that a few too many No Shame regulars are coming up with
these days.
4) More and more, recently, I find shorts on men to be entirely
silly and worthy of much ridicule.
That is all.
NBC
Subj: BoardRoom: cast for #5, Normalization
From: chisholm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (kate)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 22:21:09 GMT IP: 128.255.188.45
sorry we went over 5 minutes.... eh.
Jeanelle Sims plays the "bargirl." bargirl? I guess that's what
she was. Phil Nohl plays the creepy guy.
hooray for them.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: My Pretty Numbers
From: whybother@forgetit.com (Two Cents)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 22:38:05 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
What if one uses the same anonymous name everytime and just
prefers not to be thought of as a real person? What if that same
anonymous name hates email? What if that same anonymous name
doesnt wish to accuse anyone but just wishes to express an
opinion anonymously? Even if they do wish to accuse one,
an "accusee" if you will, can just as easily respond to said name
on the board as to a personal email account? I see your
point "Balls", but at the same time I am hoping that not all
anonymous names get slighted by the errors of others. There are
many reasons to prefer remaining anonymous that are not evil or
wrong.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: mrauthorboy@hotmail.com (Tom Kovacs)
Time: Sun, 25-Mar-2001 23:54:04 GMT IP: 128.255.189.150
Right, so now I have to respond to a couple of nameless booze-
hounds. As "Balls" has pointed out, someone still has a problem
with me or my writing, and is too afraid to tell me face to face
or use his/her real name. I don't take these comments seriously,
as you should find obvious by my recent request to quote all of
your garble in a piece, but since they're here I've got to
respond anyway.
As far as this being a stupid idea (and not just a challenging
task), I'd like to point out that Noises Off and Waiting For
Guffman were similarly stupid ideas that evolved into something
fantastic. While I know I won't be making anything as big as
either of these full-length productions, the simplicity of my
idea does not discourage me. I only hope that my "stupid" idea
can be entertaing, and not quite as overtly pretentious as some
pieces self-serving NS "geniouses" tend to write.
Finally, you make references to Pants the Musical and Shoes the
Musical being plagiarized to some degree. If that's the case
(although I can't think of anything those bits would be ripping
off) then you're implying something about plagiarism in my piece,
which is yet to be written in the first piece. I ask you, Now-
Hungover Drunk, how this piece would be plagiarism if I am
drawing mostly from my own writing (with a few random, cited
comments from the board)? Your empty and unexplained logic is
more of an annoyance than anything else.
Tom Kovacs
Subj: BoardRoom: To Answer Your Inquiry...
From: strangelove45@hotmail.com (paulrust)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 01:19:22 GMT IP: 128.255.167.140
In the "Things that Were Wrong with Batman and Robin," George
Clooney was played by Jake Livermore and Arnold S. was played by
Steve Heuertz. Glad to be of servix.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: lemminger@hotmail.com (Arlen)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 01:37:52 GMT IP: 128.255.111.4
Well, Tom Kovacs, I'm going to talk to you some, but first I'm
going to address the assertion Two Cents makes about there being
non-terrible-human-being reasons to post anonymously.
I can only think of three reasons. 1)"I want to say hurtful
things, but not to be held acountable for my own viciousness."
2)"I am half embarassed of what I've written, but would still like
to see how people respond to it." 3)"I am a No Shame performer
and want to praise my own genius, for people to agree with me
(Rothschild) or attack myself to watch my friends stick up for me
and find out how much I am loved(Hansen) or help my friend do
this(Lawson) and, oh, by the way, these are all the same reason."
Reason #1 seems to be most prominent these days and I must
protest. A duel in a field with a witness and a big coat
and a bullet each is respectable, in its own barbaric way. A
knife in the back in the dark and a quick retreat is loathsome.
That's all I have to say about that. Now, Tom...
I was trying to figure out which drunk you were talking to,
Tom, and I couldn't do it. Neither drunk named h'self Hungover (I
assume this was your own little insult added to the injury of your
own little staggering logic) and neither accused you of
plagiarism. I've drawn up the two other posts in my little uh
computer window thing, and, well, it seems to me that Wandering
makes no mention of plagiarism, and Stagnant clearly
differentiates between your alleged stupid idea and Shoes the
Musical's alleged plagiarism.
Yes, Tom, it seems to me that the Drunk posts, for you, have
been, as Chris Stangl asserts about ULYSSES and Garry Trudeau
about Doonesbury, comparable to a Rorschach test, give or take a
spelling error in "Rorschach." You are the only one so far to
have expressed concerns about the relationship between you and
plagiarism.
But that's not what I'm here to talk about, Tom. What I'm
concerned with is what you say here:
"I only hope that my "stupid" idea
can be entertaing, and not quite as overtly pretentious as
some
pieces self-serving NS "geniouses" tend to write."
Now, I thought the misspelling of fenius was done in quoting
somebody else, pointing out some irony or another, but upon
reflection, I have to assume that the misspelling was your own and
that the quotation marks were meant to indicate that you disagreed
that these "people" were, in fact, geniuses, regardless of how
loudly they proclaimed it, and at what length, to the point that
all you ever hear at No Shame is some braggart or another
shouting, "And you are all aware that I am a genius, no?" And
I've got to agree with you on that, Tom. That is all I ever hear
when in the company of my No Shame friends.
But, you know, Tom-O, another thing I realized is that your
little appraisal of the No Shame talent is the shot-for-shot
remake of Psycho to Neil's earlier comment,
"I can tell you I'd much prefer to see Shoes: The
Musical than I would to see the masturbatory, self-important
crap that a few too many No Shame regulars are coming up
with
these days."
And, well, Tom, while I appreciate the irony of the defense of
yourself as a non-plagiarist coming immediately after this
near-plagiarism, and applaud your wit and ability to send it
soaring over my head the first time I read it, I am still unclear
about who you are referring to when you speak of the No Shame
"'geniouses'" or why you would choose to attack them in your
defense against an anonymous and 50% imaginary accuser.
And what you've got to understand, Tom, Old Boy, is that right
now I am seething with a couple emotions I don't know what to
name. And what you've got to understand, Tom, is that,
personally, these days, I (which is to say me, Arlen Joseph Eben
Evangel Lawson) write some pieces that might be called pretentious
by some, or self-serving, or self-important, or even masturbatory.
In fact, Tom, you might say that, of all current No Shame
writers, I am one of maybe two or three of the most likely
candidates for these labels. And, Tom, I guess what I'm trying to
say, Tom, is that there's no way I can look at your ink spill
without seeing a pile of dead puppies, and, with or without having
mentioned my name, you have, in fact, expressed reproach of me,
personally, in the same manner you might stand in the middle of a
dusty little town, screaming out at the top of your lungs, "Now I
challenge any perceived homosexual in this town to a bullet to
bullet duel" while I'm in the bathroom pretending that my
reflection is a human being.
And, Tom, I don't mean to pick on you, specifically, Tom, it's
just that sometimes there needs to be a mock duel and two people
who respect each other just need to "clear the air" by aiming
their bullets away from each other, and you can't always pay very
close attention to where those stray missiles are flung. And
Jesus Fucking Christ I've used way too many metaphors in this
post!
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: lemminger@hotmail.com (Arlen)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 01:59:03 GMT IP: 128.255.111.4
"Acountable" was a typographical error, on account of I can not
type well.
"Genious" is a misunderstanding of spelling I've seen elsewhere.
I didn't mean to seem pretentious. I have a contempt for people
who think it makes them bright to have learned not to say
"irregardless." Or who feel pride that they have mastered the
present state of a language, a state which will be obsolete 100
years from now.
-Arlen
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: mrauthorboy@hotmail.com (Tom Kovacs)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 03:28:37 GMT IP: 128.255.189.150
Well, Arlen, you've called me on one thing- that extra O I
slipped into "geniouses." It's funny that a spellling errir can
draw so much attention. And so that there are no more confused
people and unintentionally offended performers in the viewing
audience, I've got to spend the extra time elaborating/repeating
what was said earlier.
Stagnant drunk wrote this little ditty, which led to my
staggering logic about implied plagiarism;
"Shoes the Musical the ten minute play=Pants the Musical the five
minute comedy No Shame sketch=Pants the Musical the three minute
comedy The State sketch. Which yeilds the qustions: does blatant
plagiarism cease to be blatant plagiarism when the circumstances
of the work are altered superficially? Does it cease to be
plagiarism entirely? I'm afraid I have no answer for you."
If The State is some other group of performers and writers, then
I could see how the question could be re-written as; Was the
first Pants the Musical blatantly plagiarized twice with the only
changes being superficial alterations? And does this form of
adaptation constitute plagiarism? However, I have never heard of
any writers, performing groups, or shows known as The State.
With no references to the authors of any of these pieces, I was
stuck believing that all three pieces were written by the same
guy. Thus the question I saw was; If a writer makes superficial
alterations to some of his own writing does it constiture blatant
plagiarism? I know that this was an absurd question, and the
answer should be "no" unless it is in some absurd circumstance.
And, I couldn't figure out the logic of a Stagnant drunk asking
such a question.
Now, Arlen, My Friend, don't flip out, because I never did
specifically call you pretentious or self-serving. That
pretentiousness statement you're so upset about was spoken in a
gross generalization. Everyone who does No Shame is, to some
extent, performing to serve their own purposes. Myself
included. And generally, there is at least one piece a night
that I would think of as pretentious. It is NOT always the same
person that writes this one pretentious piece. You have gone a
bit over the top once or twice. But, other than those rare
occasions, I tend to find your pieces to be among the high points
of the night. The best one I can think of right now is that one
where the girl tries to become a mermaid for the sake of the guy
she loves. Sorry, I forgot the title. I'd like you to know that
if you, or anybody else were coming off as pretentious on a
regular basis, I'd come right out and say it. Were that the
case, I might find myself writing something like "Arlen Lawson is
overtly pretentious." If you saw something like that in my last
post, then maybe you're reading a little too far between the
lines. I'm not one to try to hide my pot-shots.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: help@beseen.com (Two Cents)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 05:20:05 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
I can only think of three reasons. 1)"I want to say hurtful
things, but not to be held acountable for my own viciousness."
2)"I am half embarassed of what I've written, but would still
like
to see how people respond to it." 3)"I am a No Shame performer
and want to praise my own genius, for people to agree with me
(Rothschild) or attack myself to watch my friends stick up for me
and find out how much I am loved(Hansen) or help my friend do
this(Lawson) and, oh, by the way, these are all the same reason."
Reason #1 seems to be most prominent these days and I must
protest. A duel in a field with a witness and a big coat
and a bullet each is respectable, in its own barbaric way. A
knife in the back in the dark and a quick retreat is loathsome."
I would like, would hope that you have miscalculated some motives
here. I can only account for my own, which admitedly can be
viewed as a combination of numbers 1, 2 and 3 but without the
dark overtones. My original purpose is/was to be able to comment
freely and take part in the various arguments that go on here
from a more removed point of view. I would like to freely state
my opinions without the fear of censoring myself because of the
people I know and would otherwise fear hurting them and/or
embarrassing myself. To be able to offer such opinions without
the taint of how others view me or how I want to be viewed. For
instance, I can say, 'I believe that so and sos piece about such
and such was very well written and executed, etc.' without them
or someone else reading it and saying, 'thats so and sos friend,
of course they are going to say that' and therefore dismissing
it. It also works to prevent me shying away from saying, 'so and
sos piece this week was not well thought out and could have
benefited from something' without worrying that a friend will be
upset. I have also used this right of anonymosity to argue a
point of view that I dont necessarily agree with yet am trying to
explore from the other side. But this isnt about me, its about
wanting that right, the right that a format such as this offers,
to be preserved for those of us who prefer to remain anonymous
but not exclusively for the three reasons that Arlen has
presented. As with all rights, some will abuse them and that is
the cost of having them.
In closing I would like to say that, "A duel in a field with a
witness and a big coat and a bullet each" is not any less
respectable if those present happen to be wearing masks.
Anonymously Yours,
Two Cents
Post Script: Although I have been trying to be good for the sake
of putting a more favorable light on anonymous posts, I cant help
but say, Arlen, that your arguments are particularly sexy when
you are trying to defend your own pretentiousness. (oh look, its
reason number 2!)
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: lucre@penis.com (Snick Sclark)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 06:03:49 GMT IP: 209.217.137.167
Something about the message board has changed: I can no longer
delete the text of the message to which I reply. Which sucks
because I hate these posts.
This is joke.
Okay, so I wanted to address the perenially reappearing issue of
pretention as mentioned on this web board. The term gets bandied
about in a lot of generalized contexts as a disparaging comment on
no particular piece or performer. (Keep in mind, Tom, that it is
not just your recent comments, but several from the past which have
appeared here that did this.) So such posts decry pretention
without providing examples or definitions of pretention. It is,
thus a fairly useless observation. A little like saying "my advice
to Chris Stangl: stop sucking so bad". (no offense intended, CS,
just thought it would make a fun example... rhetorically.). So
just what are the people who decry pretention in NS objecting to?
How the hell do I know? But how do *I* define pretention? Okay,
so you write this thing, and in it you make referrence to a lot of
terms which you don't really understand, or allude to works with
which you're not really familiar, and the end result is that you
appear more educated than you really are... or you appear like you
wish to appear more educated than you really are. The trap here
often comes when you have a big discrepancy between the level of a
performer's education and the level of an audience's education.
Now I will pick on Chris Stangl: the fella often writes pieces
which use a certain strain of non-standard knowledge - the lyrics
to, and history of Frankie and Johnny, the personal life of Winona
Ryder, the details of the making of Wizard of Oz and Gone With the
Wind etc. etc.. The point is that these are not terms or ideas
which Stangl spews out in hopes that the audience will think he's
more educated than he is, these are facts which Stangl knows
because he pursues his interest and familiarizes himself with stuff
he loves. Because most of the audience is not as familiar with
these things as Stangl is, these pieces can come off as pretentious
to an audience which assumes that a deep discrepancy in the level
of education of the performer and the audience poses some sort of
threat to their own percieved intelligence. I cannot think of a
piece which I could describe as pretentious, unless hearkening back
to the days in which James Wolf rewrote Marisol for No Shame. I
don't mean to imply that anyone who has criticized pretention at NS
was even thinking about the work of Chris "Mrs. Garrett" Stangl, it
just made a convenient example in this instance. Anyone who can
offer any more accurate description of what the hell people are
criticizing when they criticize 'pretention' at NS (Thomas?) help
this forum out by making sense of an otherwise valueless
generalization.
PoopooPeepee,
McNick BeClark
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Real Next Level
From: cokiishi@hotmail.com (Quiche)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 06:33:52 GMT IP: 65.6.173.43
Tom--
Okay, so "The State" was a television sketch comedy show on a few
years ago. It was pretty short-lived, but did develope a
reasonable following. I'm sorry I don't know much more about it,
but it did exist.
For your edification,
Christopher
Subj: BoardRoom: Anonymous Stuff, Etc
From: neilerdude@hotmail.com (Balls)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 06:52:45 GMT IP: 205.244.160.149
Point being, Two Cents, that even if you consistently remain
this made-up persona, were you ever to write something about
somebody to which he/she felt the need to respond, that person
would have to answer to everybody, as he/she would not know who
you are.
Is that convoluted? Methinks so.
So okay, here's an example. Say that you, under the name "Two
Cents," wrote this about me: "Neil only uses the
nickname 'Balls' because he in fact has no ball-sack of his
own." To which I would feel the need to respond and expostulate
upon the existence of my scrotum and the testicles therein. But
to whom am I responding? I can address it to "Two Cents," but
I'm really addressing it to every single person you might
possibly be. So I'm addressing it to Mark, to Aaron, to Chris,
to Jamal, to Dan, to Arlen, to Tom, to audience members, to
every single person who visits this forum. When the only person
to whom I really need to prove the existence of my ball-sack is
you, I still have to prove it to everyone else in existence as
well. And that task is much too operose to place on one person's
shoulders.
So. If you really have this desire to remain anonymous, then
create an anonymous "Two Cents" email account at hotmail or
yahoo or someplace so that you could still be contacted
privately. However, that still seems a little weak. You give
your reasons for remaing anonymous, and while I can understand
your point of view, I think you underestimate the willingness to
believe possessed by most people who post here. You say you fear
that if you write something positive about a friend, people who
read it will discredit it on account of that person being in
your good graces. Has it ever worked that way here? Most reviews
are either entirely worthless (and obviously so), or quite
objective. I tend to believe, say, Chris Stangl when he writes
something nice about Arlen (a friend of his), because I both
give him the benefit of the doubt and I've seen him write not-so-
nice things about Arlen as well. Don't try to predict how the
reader will ingest your work, because right now you're writing
in fear of utter skepticism, when most people who read these
posts do tend to believe the writer is a good, hard-working,
honest America who believes in free speech, loves ice cream on
apple pie, and would not kick a dog. I cannot think of a time
when I saw a post saying, "This Guy just wrote that about That
Guy because they're best buddies." So just state your opinion
and slap your name onto it, and let people intepret it as they
will. If you're being truthful, who gives a fuck whether or not
someone thinks you're only saying nice things about your
friends? You know you're not, and if they accuse you of such a
thing you can just tell them to fuck off.
And if you're afraid of telling your friends what you really
think of their pieces, don't be. Most people here can respond
quite well to criticism, and those who can't need to learn how
sooner or later if they truly wish to be artists (I almost put
snarky quotation marks around that last word, the A word, but
decided against, due to the fact that as maudlin as it might
sound, I meant that sentence with all sincerity). Mike Cassady
and Aaron Galbraith are two of my best friends in the world, and
I have been very frank with them in my appraisal of their work
in the past, but we still love each other. I doubt your friends
would suddenly resent you for telling them how you really feel
about their work, either. It's beneficial to artists to hear
about honest reactions to their work, not vice versa.
That's all for now.
Balls
P.S. to Kovey: While my first post on this subject was not
intended as a defense of any one specific person, my ire was
raised more by the weightier accusations leveled at Spencer
rather than the clearly empty ones directed at you (i.e. your
idea was simply called "stupid," while Spencer was called a
plagiarist). So it was not so much my rising to your defense as
it was my feeling compelled to state my opinion. IF it was due
to anything, it was the sniffy attack on Spencer, not the one or
two remarks tossed your way. I just, you know, don't want you to
get a big head or anything. Your head being of a fairly normal
size right now. Good night.
Subj: BoardRoom: Website Message Board Policy
From: noshth@aol.com (Jeff)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 07:53:40 GMT IP: 64.12.102.169
I would like to encourage all posters to use their correct names
and email addresses whenever possible.
I know it can be a pain in the ass to type in your email address
every time you leave a message, but the message board is more
useful to everyone if everyone gives useful information.
(A person trying to contact Aprille, for example, probably
wouldn't be able to do so if her email is listed as:
ME@meMEme.com)
From time to time, you may wish to remain ANONYMOUS. If so,
please leave those fields blank, or simply put "anonymous".
Do not post using someone else's name. This can be misleading
and confusing. The main purpose of this website is
informational/historical, and pseudonymous posting renders the
message board useless as a source of information.
If pseudonymous posting persists, I will need to remove the
message board until we find a new one which doesn't allow
anonymous posts. The ISCA BBS will, of course, continue to be
available while we look for new software.
Sorry to bore you with policy talk. Sincerely,
...Jeff
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The Really Next Level
From: tomatoman@nozebone.zzn.com (methodicAL)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 17:12:12 GMT IP: 64.197.224.54
:Stagnant drunk wrote this little ditty, which led to my
:staggering logic about implied plagiarism; "Shoes the Musical the
:ten minute play=Pants the Musical the five minute comedy No Shame
:sketch=Pants the Musical the three minute comedy The State
:sketch. Which yeilds the qustions: does blatant plagiarism cease
:to be blatant plagiarism when the circumstances of the work are
:altered superficially? Does it cease to be plagiarism entirely?
: I'm afraid I have no answer for you."
:If The State is some other group of performers and writers, then
:I could see how the question could be re-written as; Was the
:first Pants the Musical blatantly plagiarized twice with the only
:changes being superficial alterations? And does this form of
:adaptation constitute plagiarism? However, I have never heard of
:any writers, performing groups, or shows known as The State.
:With no references to the authors of any of these pieces, I was
:stuck believing that all three pieces were written by the same
:guy.
Tom, your thought process astounds me such that I just have to ask
you: why? It seems to me to be that if one didn't know what "the
state," was, the logical assumpsion would be that it was, indeed,
an outside entity: no reference to "the state" being Spencer
Griffin is ever given. I guess it just seems to me that you were
using an unsubstancial attack against somebody else as an excuse
to think about yourself. That sort of conceit really bothers me
(you could call it one of my turn offs), especially if, in the
context of this forum, that person posts frequently. I'm sorry to
inform you, Tom, but I spend very little of my day thinking about
you.
:Thus the question I saw was; If a writer makes superficial
:alterations to some of his own writing does it constiture blatant
:plagiarism?
Actually, legally, in a way, yes. Tom Fogerty was sued (by his
old record company) for ripping off his own song "Run to the
Jungle" and re-releasing it as "The Old Man Down the Road." This
doesn't have much to do with anything--just another fact to put
into your head, thus leaving less and less room for your favorite
childhood memories.
I love me more than I love me,
Al
Subj: BoardRoom: The State of Toms Ball sack
From: cents_two@hotmail.com (Two Cents)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 22:02:02 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
First, The State was a comedy show, I believe on comedy central,
and is still a comedy troupe of some sort. Shortly after the
show was cancelled, a large portion of the members went on to do
another show called "Vive Variety", a show (also on comedy
central, and also canceled) that mimicked the format of the
Sonny and Cher variety show.
Now on to Tom,
"I guess it just seems to me that you were
using an unsubstancial attack against somebody else as an excuse
to think about yourself. That sort of conceit really bothers me
(you could call it one of my turn offs), especially if, in the
context of this forum, that person posts frequently. I'm sorry
to
inform you, Tom, but I spend very little of my day thinking..."-
Al Angel
(before Arlen gets to it: poor Al its 'unsubstantial')
Call me conceited as well Al, because if someone posted a
message in direct response to mine (The Real Next Level -&- re:The
Real Next Level) that had a confusing but obviously insulting
nature I, like Tom, would automatically assume they were
insulting me in some way.
Seems to me that there is a whole lot of Tom bashing going on,
and this doesnt seem to be anything new either. I think it
should be mentioned that there are people who will argue the
point of whether those who wish to remain anonymous have bad
intentions while other not so anonymous fellows are attacking
another based on such petty things as spelling mistakes and
personal turn-offs.
Tom: I see you go week after week up on that stage, undeterred
by unfavorable responses to your work but instead seeming to
take them in to account and trying to improve yourself. I admire
that. Its more than even I am willing to do.
And now a few words to Balls:
I am much relieved to know that you do indeed have a ball sack,
and I wish you to know that I would never have questioned that
in public. I would think though, that if someone did accuse you
of being without and did so on the board that you would want to
respond on the board so anyone who had read the accusation could
also read your response. Otherwise everyone on the board would
go on wondering if Balls had a sack. You see? But you do make
some good points and though I cannot meet you more than a
quarter of the way, you will notice a real email address nestled
comfortably inside the name hyperlink and making a cameo
appearance below. I still dont believe that an honest critism
of ones work requires a 'christian' name to be effective, or for
that matter an insult. In fact these anonymous insults seem to
be less inspired by malice then those coming from less anonymous
fellows.
Two Cents
cents_two@hotmail.com
Subj: BoardRoom: re: The State of Toms Ball sack
From: lemminger@hotmail.com (Arlen)
Time: Mon, 26-Mar-2001 23:48:42 GMT IP: 128.255.55.78
while other not so anonymous fellows are attacking
another based on such petty things as spelling mistakes
and
personal turn-offs.
I believe I made it clear that the spelling error was not what
I was basing my attack on. It _was_ funny to me that Tom
would misspell genius while saying "You think you're all like
smartee and stuff, but you're not! Hey, you know something?
You're not," but I brought up "geniouses" because of the
quotation marks, because of the accusation and judgment
they represented. To specify,
Accusation: "You think and have expressed that you are a
genius, in a way that is distasteful to me."
Judgment: "'Tain't so."
Tom and Neil:
Please list which authors at which times have produced
"overtly pretentious...self-serving" "pieces" and
"masturbatory, self-imortant crap," respectively. This is a
request frm me.
Arlen Lawson
Subj: BoardRoom: all this slush
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (fairchalice)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 02:19:52 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
I'm torn in this anonymity thingonymity.
One one hand I have to agree with Balls and say that if one
wants to defend one's self against an anonymous attack
one must think of everybody while doing so and that isn't
fair. But on the other hand, if it is a criticism of ones work,
it's always best to just shut the hell up and take the criticism.
But then again on the other hand, Balls was more talking
about insults, I assume like the "pretentious bastard" thing.
And you gotta stick up for yourself. But on the other hand,
who gives a damn what everybody thinks. No Shame
performers are, in a sense (perhaps more than one sense),
local celebrities. I've been recognized in public and friends
of mine that attend No Shame have said things such as,
"Hey, I saw that No Shame guy with bug eyes and blond hair
at the Java House today." Perhaps we should be able to
deal with the gossip that comes with being performers.
Plus, if someone is so cowardly and immature that they
post an insult without even giving a name then what does it
say about those who feel the need to defend themselves
against it?
But then there's the issue of crediblity. Two Cents does
often make valid comments but because she/he won't even
give me the common courtesy of a first name, I don't take
him all that seriously. And if this is the intent, then what's
the purpose?
I guess what it all comes down to is this: You anonymous
people do have valid reasons for remaining such. But all
you are REALLY doing is aggravating those people you are
trying to help. And that's mean. So please just be nice to
us, ease our pain, and give us your real names.
Constructive criticism good, Deconstructive criticism bad.
Or!
If you want to remain anonymous then at least lie and give
us a name that at least sounds real. Then we'll just assume
you're an audience member and we'll actually be quite
pleased that you are responding to the show.
Kosher?
-dan
Subj: BoardRoom: speaking of criticism...
From: chisholm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (kate)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 03:23:05 GMT IP: 128.255.188.45
I would like to be criticized. I wrote a dramatic trialouge that
was taken to be a comedy. I would be interested to hear why. my
only thought is that the sketch involves sexuality. I was at least
happy that it wasn't described as "girl removes shirt." I guess it
says something about my writing that it didn't come off as more
than a bargirl, and maybe I should leave it at that.
either way, this was my first time getting on stage with a script
that I had written. I'm excited for feedback (positive or
negative). I've been checking the boards obsessively, but to no
avail! *sniff* *sniff*
pareve?
-kate
Subj: BoardRoom: re: all this slush
From: cents_two@hotmail.com (Two Cents)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 03:44:09 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
You would rather I pacify you with lies? How would that help my
comments to be taken seriously? Only that you wouldnt know it
was a lie? I really dont see the difference in posting
under 'John' or 'Jane' rather than 'Audience' or 'Two Cents'.
Does it help to say that I am an audience member? But then, so
are you. Anyway I think Ive exhausted this topic and might try
actually commenting on the show.
TC
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Order for 3-23-01
From: cents_two@hotmail.com (Two Cents)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 04:51:58 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
0.5 "The Girl Trouble Oracle" by Chris Stangl. 1:03
[Stangl, Lawson; comedy sketch] Liquor solves shyness, pregnancy.
-I dont have much to say on this except that I am always amused
by them. It is to his credit that Chris has used the same
format/theme, whatever you want to call it, so many times and Ive
only found it less than amusing once, this was not that once.
1. "The Wrong Number Sketch-0" by Chimpanzee {Tom Knapp} 2:36
[Stangl, Knapp, River, Clarke; comedy sketch] Sadistic
telephone operator and parrot harass customers.
-Profane parrot always good.
2. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part One: Microcosm" by Al Angel 0:21
[Angel, Clark; comedy sketch] A romance begins.
-Short, witty, but not very original.
3. "Amanda's Storytime" by Amanda 2:36
[Amanda; comedy improv] Extemporaneous tale of "Arlen's Fat
Butt" involves Arlen's consumption of squirrel pee.
-Interesting and seemed to hold the audiences attention
especially with the beginning participation for the name of the
title. Reminded me of Mad Libs, it was always amusing to see how
those would turn out and so was this.
4. "Blind Man's Bluff" by Tom Kovacs 6:05
[Kovacs, Negron, Rust, Phoedra Gay, River, others; comedy
sketch] "Sam Negron" (Kovacs)'s blindness revealed as sham;
"Negron" beaten.
-This started out strong and lost me somewhere in the middle.
The impression was well done and I liked the part with Paul Rust
in it. The action broke up the monologue. I didnt especially
like the ending. I suppose this mainly has to do with having
seen to many pieces ending with someone being beat up. Almost as
if, "I have no idea how to end this", "well we could just have
the guy beaten up at the end".
4.4. "Things That Were Wrong With `Batman and Robin'" by Joel
Schumacher )0:08
[?, ?; comedy sketch] George Clooney and Arnold Schwartzenegger
are those things. Blackout.
-Perhaps if the title had been repeated somehow at the beginning
of the piece it would have been funny?
5. "Normalization" by Kate Chisolm 6:04
[Chisholm, ?, ?; comedy sketch] Bar girl's conscience laments
her bargirl behavior.
-I thought the part of the conscience was well written and
performed. I think that it might have been stronger without the
second girl. If it was all played by one girl, a little more
difficult but doable, it would have been more dramatic and less
funny. This could have been accomplished by some freeze framing
or dimming of lights and the character visibly stepping out of
herself without the bar guy moving. I think the girl taking off
her shirt was distracting and possibly not necessary. I think
the laughing came from the bar guy's lines because the guys could
identify with what he was saying as things they might have said
to get in a girls pants and the girls would have laughed because
they had heard a guy say it to them. A bitter laugh maybe, but a
laugh all the same.
6. "My Lovelife at Age Sixteen" by Nella Christo Arbock 2:51
[Clarke; monologue] Nella consumes hallucinogen, crashes four
wheeler, contemplates naked man.
-Aprille brought more life into this one then some of the
previous ones Ive seen. Other than that most of these have been
frustrating for me because they seem to start out going somewhere
and then dont deliver. I guess anti climatic is the word.
7. "Putty" by Lisa Day 4:46
[Day, ?; monologue] Unwanted grapefruit dooms would-be romance.
-There was something really great about this one. I cant seem to
grasp exactly what. Although I dont understand the purpose of
the guitar player, that also happened in Toms piece. If the
background music somehow enhances the piece then so be it, but I
didnt feel it did in either of these.
7.5. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part Two: Parallax" by Al "Horatio"
Angel 0:15
[Angel, Clark; comedy sketch] Romance now includes sexual
relations.
-I think this part could have been funnier with some better
thought out adjectives at the beginning, but using my imagination
to fill them in for myself did make me laugh.
8. "Coming Soon" by Adam Burton 3:26
[Okiishi, Clarke, Cassady, Weird Al; comedy sketch] Trailer for
film featuring sunblock superheroes and "Floppy Porn Guy."
-This one made me laugh, there wasnt anything amazing and there
wasnt anything lacking. It was just a typical no shame funny.
9. "Nobody Puts Baby In the Corner, OR Do You Wanna Wanna Mahna
Mahna" by Dan Fairchild 2:11
[Fairchild, Clarke; dance] Comic dance to Jim Henson's
"Monomonop."
-Had this melodie in my head the rest of the night! This was
amusing but Im not sure it was two minutes and eleven seconds
worth of funny. I find myself wondering, if this had been
newbies would it have been funny at all or was it just that
Aprille and Dan where doing it? I dont have the answer.
10. "Who Do You Think You Are?" by Aprille Clarke 5:15
[Rust, Clarke, Fairchild; comedy sketch] Prostitute specializes
in golden showers; janitor pretends to be business mogul.
-Too bad I could actually see Aprille spraying Dan with a water
bottle. The sounds coming from that side of the stage would have
been funnier had they not been visible.
10.5. "Genre Pt I: Horror, Also Known as Comedy" by Arlen Lawson
0:28
[Campbell, Lawson; comedy sketch] Man debilitated by nerves of
steel. Everyone laughs instead of feeling sad.
-Funny. No more, no less.
11. "The Deadlies, Part Two; The Orange Pig" by Frank Schroeder
{J.C. Luxton} 7:00
[Luxton, Okiishi; comedy sketch] Man steals, eats pie,
contracts negative body image.
-There was something incredibly amusing in hearing Chris's
footsteps and then hearing luxton(?) calling for so long
backstage. And whats not to love about a man in green underwear?
12. "Stillness a Mop a Kay" by Arly Farly 1:04
[River, Rust, Angel, Fairchild, Clark; musical piece] Jamal
bangs pot, leads marching chant.
-fun.
12.5. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part Three: Resolution" by Al
"Pretty pretty pretty" Angel 0:17
[Clark, Angel; sketch] Romance dissolved on bus.
-This was a very dissatisfying end to a short trilogy. A
stronger finish would have made the first two parts better.
13. "My Own Private Sitcom" by Paul Rust 6:08
[Rust; comic monologue] Psychosis/ desperation leads boy to
enact family tragedy as one-man situation comedy.
-Absolutely loved this one. Hilarious but sad at the end to the
point where it made me think I really shouldnt have been laughing.
14. "This Is Who We Are" by Neil "Balls" Campbell 4:38
[Campbell, Thompson, Lawson, Cassady, Galbraith, ?; comedy
sketch] Parade of horrors commonplace and extraordinary all
lost in apathy at restaurant.
-This was amusing on the surface but had something to contemplate
later. Decievingly complex.
15. "Brown Dead Leaves and a Dirty Broom" by Chris Stangl 6:20
[Stangl, River; autobio monologue] Small town spook story of a
body on a lawn passes between generations. River accompanies on
kalimba.
I was thinking of the question Chris posted a while back about
what was wrong with his pieces and wondering if it was where they
appear in the order. I found myself thinking as he was up that I
wished I had more energy to pay attention to what he was saying
at that point. This piece was an example where the background
music did enhance the piece. It also helped that Jamal was in a
corner in the dark which removed him from the focal point. In
the other pieces with background music I found myself focusing
sometimes on the musicians rather than the performer thinking
they might at any moment do something that would validate their
presence. I think a good feature of Chris's pieces is how he
always sets a mood before he begins. Lights dim, Chris walks in,
acknowledges Jamals presence by putting his hat on him, grabs a
chair, sits facing audience, turns towards Jamal when he skips a
beat, turns back to audience and begins, Classic!
Subj: BoardRoom: Tom is Sam, Sam is Tom
From: mrauthorboy@hotmail.com (TK)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 06:29:31 GMT IP: 128.255.189.150
This is Stangl's response to Sam's impression of me. It's
fitting that I discuss both of our impressions in one posting.
"10. "Curse of the Kovacs Clan," Negron
Extraordinarily weird moments when front row thought
screaming, flailing Negron may actually be choking to death as
he shoved wads of paper in his mouth. Other than that, seemed
frustratingly improvised (don't improv anything that would be
better scripted SEEMS like an obvious rule_), any potential
bright spots drowned in big grey sea of dull. The
extraordinarily weird things deserved better, though in anything
not otherwise boring, the gagging may not be extraordinarily
weird, so perhaps there is no lesson to learn here. No idea how
or why this was a Tom Kovacs impression. Also weird. "Taste the
hate" lesson applies: unconvinced that this is a "send up" of
Tom Kovacs-- just that the two are friends giggling at
impressions of each other."
This was wierd, and intentionally so. But, I know how and why
this was a Tom Kovacs impression. Sam, one of the better friends
I've made since moving to Iowa, ran into my room one day and told
me he was going to do an impression of me. He said that it'd
have a gimmick (eating the script) and that "I" would have a
downfall that the audience might be able to see coming but would
still find funny(choking on the script). In the process of
writing it, he asked for a few random facts about the Kovacses.
From these tid-bits, and his months of knowing me, Sam created an
impression of the real live Tom Kovacs that was about 25%
biographical and 75% wierdness. Sam spun extended tangents off
of simple statements like "My brother and sister are adopted from
the Philippines," "My Dad's an aging musician form Jersey,"
and "Ernie (no known relation) smoked cigars." However, since
Stangl has no knowledge of me outside of the things I've written
for No Shame and the few words I've had with him, he didn't
realize how good of an impression this was.
Now for my piece, which returned the impression with a somewhat
similar intent in the writing...
"4. "Blind Man's Bluff" by Tom Kovacs 6:05
-This started out strong and lost me somewhere in the middle.
The impression was well done and I liked the part with Paul Rust
in it. The action broke up the monologue. I didnt especially
like the ending. I suppose this mainly has to do with having
seen to many pieces ending with someone being beat up. Almost as
if, "I have no idea how to end this", "well we could just have
the guy beaten up at the end"."
Sam can explain what he wants to about this piece, if and when he
wants to. But, I have to agree with Two Cents about the
unsatisfactory ending. This piece was written with the intent to
follow the basic plot of The Boy Who Cried Wolf- 1) Fake blind
man has his jollies at the expense of others. 2)Fake blind man
gets his cover blown. 3)Fake blind man runs into trouble. 4)After
the fake blind man gets mobbed and the mob has cleared, the
lights go down and the now real blind man is left alone on stage,
crying desparately for help because the mob that just whupped up
on him gouged out his eyes. 5)Nobody comes to his aid. The
audience is left terrified, and some critic is left thinking he's
seen this plot line before.
This ending, however, did not happen. And for once, it's not my
fault. You see, before the show, I'd talked this whole mobbing
thing over with a certain three actors who knew how the plot was
to evolve. During the show, other actors, namely Stangl and
possibly one more, who someone mentioned, but I didn't see and
won't falsely accuse, decided they wanted to get in on the fun
without really knowing what to do other than "get a few shots in
on Kovey." This unwelcome and unauthorized addition to the cast
threw me and left me for a loss. Not knowing what he was doing,
besides stealing my shoe when the lights went out, I let the
piece end when the chance arrived. Just thought you'd like to
know.
I've taken a lot of bashing recently in the board room. All of
that (aside from a few clips and phrases someone wrote in MY
name) I've been able to shrug off lightheartedly. But trying to
screw with me like that while I'm on stage and you're not in my
piece crosses that yellow-snow territorry marking all performers
(particularly board members/order takers) should instinctively
know. And for those of you who are keeping record, this is what
was on my mind when I first made that overtly pretentious self-
servingness comment. Now, the brazenly obvious bottom line; if
you're not in the piece, stay the hell off the stage!
Tom
Subj: BoardRoom: Ben Schmidt Live!
From: brackish@hotmail.com (Aprille)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 16:26:25 GMT IP: 205.244.161.61
Forwarded from my email:
Howdy folks,
I hope you're all well and weathering the extended play
dance version of winter. I have retired my coat to the closet
in protest of the weather, so if you've seen me wandering
the streets of Iowa city with only a sweater on and shivering
and mutering explatives, this is why. So, down to brass
tacks.
1.) ENGLET BENEFIT CONCERT --April 1st, 6 p.m.
The Mill Restaurant
120 e. Burlingotn.
Featuring:
BEN SCHIMDT
Greg Brown
Dave Moore
Sam Knutson
Tom Jessen
Becca Sutlive
Jan Smith
Rita Offutt
Kathryn Muselik.
THis is to benefit the Englert community arts center project.
Tickets are $20 and go on sale at 5:00 p.m. the night of the
show ONLY. This is a great opportunity to support a really
good cause and catch some of the best local
musicians. TO check out more about the Englert go to
www.englert .org.
AND
2.) BEN SCHMIDT --LIVE!
Fri, April 20th
The Mill
9:00pm.
Well, thanks again to those at the last show, and welcome
new folks. I've
been working on some new material and look forward to
playing for y'all
soon.
peace,
ben
Subj: BoardRoom: re: speaking of criticism...
From: brackish@hotmail.com (Aprille)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 16:42:02 GMT IP: 205.244.161.61
Ok, here's some feedback for you, Kate. I will start off by
saying that I wholeheartedly support your participation and
creative efforts at No Shame. Please do not get the idea that
this criticism means that I hope you don't return. I offer it in
the spirit that it help you develop both as a writer in general
and a No Shame writer.
Wussy disclaimer aside:
I thought the writing was confusing. Until about 2/3 of the
way through the piece, I thought Woman 1 (I will refer to the
woman who did most of the speaking) was Woman 2's
friend or roommate, not an integral part of her mind,
conscience, or personality. The writing did not clear up the
roles, and while this ambiguity could have been effective
were it a contributing part of the piece, in this context, it left
me feeling as if the writer just hadn't put much effort into
developing the characters.
on another writing level, toward the end particularly, Woman
1's voice (literarily speaking) kept changing--it went back and
forth between first, second, and third person, which further
added to my impression that not much care had been taken
in the writing.
Why did people think this was a comedy? Well, because
people are used to comedy at No Shame, and it's the default
reaction. It's very, very difficult to do a serious piece well. A
popular format utilized by myself and others is to perform
what is, for most of the duration of the piece, a comedy, then
shift perspectives near the end and have the piece finish up
serious. Paul Rust provided an example of how to do this
extremely well last week. In order to do a piece that is
serious from beginning to end, a writer must very carefully
craft his or her work, as well as treat particularly evocative
subject matter in a creative and engaging way.
Also, quite honestly...hm, i can't think of a nice way to say this.
Well, at one point I hooted loudly with laughter, because a
line struck me as so ridiculous, no one would say it
seriously. I was a bit embarrassed when I realized it had
been meant earnestly.
As for the brief nudity, I found it distracting (except I always
enjoy nudity, but artistically speaking...) and unnecessary.
The best analogy I could come up with was this: if someone
is on the stage and the role requires eating a hamburger, the
person has a few options. The person could actually eat a
hamburger, the person could mime eating a hamburger, the
person could chew up a sign that says "hamburger," or the
person could so something like smear ketchup on his/her
finger and say "wow, I'm sure eating a hamburger right now."
The latter two options draw attention to themselves, whereas
the first two simply transmit the information of hamburger
eating. To me, the bra-scene was the equivalent of the
finger-ketchup-smear. Had the scene really been taking
place, both parties would have been naked (except the guy
would have been wearing socks). That would have been
interesting but frought with potential trouble, especially for
new performers. The other option would be not to have any
nudity and let the writing of the piece transmit the feeling of
vulnerability and lust that go along with genuine nudity.
as it stood, having a semi-nude woman and a fully clothed
man on stage together, as if to represent sex, left me feeling
mildly offended and overly focused on this fact, which did not
contribute to the piece.
A note on content: I didn't find the overall message of the
piece anything especially challenging or innovative, either. I
fully (believe me) understand the internal dilemma that
women develop when confronting issues of sexuality and
facing societal pressure not to have the aforementioned, but
this piece ended on a condemnation. Now, the major
purpose of this review is not to complain about how the
content of the piece didn't serve my personal agenda, but
there's nothing new about saying women who sleep around
are sluts and hate themselves. The writing would have been
more interesting if it had taken some other stance.
I hope this provided useful feedback for you, Kate. Good luck
on your future work.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: speaking of criticism...
From: chisholm@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (kate)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 22:07:52 GMT IP: 128.255.188.45
I guess the only thing I can say to this beside expressing my
gratitude is that there is no need for disclaimer. I really
appreciate the time and effort you put into your criticism, and I
will certainly consider it when I write in the future.
by just attending No Shame, you do not learn how to write a piece
to perform.
thanks again
Subj: BoardRoom: re: all this slush
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (dan fairchild)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 22:34:53 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
If I had the choice of knowing you were hiding behind an
alias and not knowing the name you give is an alias, you're
right. I would rather be privvy to the fact. But if I didn't know
that you were hiding behind an alias, then it would at least
seem the same as me knowing your real name and I
wouldn't know any better. In this case ignorance would be
bliss. So yes, I would rather you post under a realistic false
name than one that is obviously a dodge.
You're right in saying that there is no difference between
posting under names like John or Jane and posting under
names like Two Cents in that both are lies. And that isn't
good. It's shitty. But there is a difference, as you yourself
stated, in that with names like Jane I don't know it is a lie. I
don't know the names of everybody who goes to No Shame.
I'm terrible with names. And since I have no reason to
believe that you're hiding anything, I'm going to take you
seriously.
To illustrate my point.
Say you began posting under the name Gretchen
Minklewictz. I start reading a bunch of posts by Gretchen
Minklewictz whom I assume is an audience member and I
think, hmm, thank you Gretchen Minklewictz. One day I come
across a post pertaining to myself written by Ms. Minlewictz.
"Awesome," says I. "I wonder what Gretchen has to say about
me."
Gretchen has some valid points to make, there's a little mud
being slung but I just assume this to be one ballsy person
who doesn't pull punches and I respect her for her honesty.
Then one day another person who frequents this board says,
"Hey, you wanna know who Gretchen Minklewictz REALLY
is?" My response: "You mean Gretchen Minklewictz isn't
really Gretchen Minklewictz and there is, in fact, no such
person? Shit, yeah, I wanna know who it is!" My next
response: "This Minklewictz bitch could be someone I know.
How do I know that the person who alerted me to the lie isn't
Minklewictz? This Minklewictz person said that he or she is
an audience member but then said that I am, too, which also
leaves the possibility of Minklewictz being a performer." My
next response: Well if Minklewictz doesn't even have the
honesty, courage, and common courtesy to give me a real
name, then those posts he or she made that I interpreted as
honesty must have had a hostile intent and they're too
chicken shit to tell me face to face. How can I respect a
person like that? How can I take comments from a person
like that seriously? Fuck Gretchen Minklewictz and all that
she stands for.
So what you're doing with an alias like "Two Cents" is
creating suspicion, taking up space on the board (since
anything you have to say isn't taken seriously), and therefore
pissing off the people you want to help which is beautifully
illustrated by all the posts pertaining to anonymity including
this one.
This is mean. You are being a mean person. Stop it. You
must give respect to receive it.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Order for 3-23-01 the rest of TC's
From: cents_two@hotmail.com (Two Cents)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 22:45:05 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
I wished I had the energy to focus more attention on what Chris
was saying. Its really horrible that the rest of what I actually
wrote on this review was lost somehow but I will try to recreate
it here. I found that the background music of this piece was
more relevant than in the grapefruit piece and Tom's piece. This
is because it set a mood and also Jamal was in the corner under
dimmed lights so it was obvious that he was not to be a focul
point and therefore my full attention was on Chris. A strong
point in most of Chris's pieces is how he sets the mood. In this
piece he walks out, acknowledges Jamal but puts his hat on him,
furthuring the point that he is not to be focused on. He grabs a
chair, faces the audience, looks once more at Jamal when he skips
a beat and nods almost as if Jamal is a record player that Chris
has just set right. Then he speaks. There is an amount of grace
and class that are prevalent in most of Chris's pieces that I
havnt seen equaled on the No Shame stage yet. Dont pay attention
to word choice or spelling, I just realized that the full text
was not on my last post and tried to duplicate it as soon as
possible under very tired circumstances.
TC
Subj: BoardRoom: re: speaking of criticism...
From: lucre@penis.com (Nick Clark)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 23:19:36 GMT IP: 64.0.99.137
My name is Nick, perhaps I will mostly repeat things Aprille has
said.
I did laugh at several times during the piece, but I thought that
it had a serious and tragic heart. I personally very rarely try
to write comedy, but I take it for granted that when a piece by me
is finished, there will be things in there which folks will laugh
at. That is good in a sense, because it keeps an audience which is
interested in laughing at a piece from mentally discarding it. In
the same sense that most of the Stangl Drunkard Skunkard skitches
make a body laugh and then wonder at the tragedy of what s/he is
laughing at, so is all humor embedded in a serious piece. (As for
serious musical pieces... well that's a different discussion)
So I don't think that the fact that folks laughed at your
piece indicates that the audience felt nothing of its emotional
weight or philosophical worth at all.
As for the semi-nudity, I understand Aprille's point that it
didn't really make sense, and I agree, though as an audience
member, it made me uncomfortable in a way which I thought behooved
the piece's message.
So, in summary, I think that you should willingly accept any
laughter that is latent in the writing or in the performer-audience
dynamic, but try to be attentive to how that can serve your own
artistic interests.
The fact that the posted order describes the piece as 'Comedy
Sketch' really only indicates the easiest and most automatic label
that can be slapped on a NS performance; though the person who
posted the piece descriptions may have a better explaination of
this.
Aloha,
Puppy Dog Clark
Subj: BoardRoom: re: speaking of criticism...
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (dan fairchild)
Time: Tue, 27-Mar-2001 23:45:06 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
I think this could very easily been perceived as a dramatic
sketch had the performance been different. I can really see
this piece going either way. Perhaps you didn't convey to
your actors that this was to be serious? There was no
rehearsal which could have helped this, was there?
I think what sold this as a comedic piece the most, though,
was that you, and your actors, broke character several times
and laughed. So perhaps you yourself saw this as a
humorous piece?
But then, once again, I'm missing the point. What you want to
know is what MADE it a comedic piece. Well, for me, you are
depicting a guy picking up a girl at a bar, which is a scene
which is often satirized, often by the participants conveying to
the audience what they really think. So we've already been
conditioned to laugh at it.
How to remedy this? Perhaps have the guy seem like more
of a jerk. Phil Nohl is friggin' excellent at pretending to be a
jerk. Also perhaps make the heroine hesitate a bit before
just blurting out, "Okay!" so we can actually see that there are
serious thoughts going through her mind. Again, this would
have been remedied by rehearsal.
So I guess all I have to add is: Rehearse. Go through it at
least once. It's a lesson I only recently learned.
wuv,
dan
Subj: BoardRoom: On the subject of Stangl's Shorts
From: lucre@penis.com (Nick Clark)
Time: Wed, 28-Mar-2001 00:07:27 GMT IP: 64.210.241.103
Chris Stangl said this in his review: (#3)
:0.5. "The Breathalyzer Test," Stangl
:Note on The One Nick Clark criticized for not actually
:being about alcohol: a) I make no promise my blackouts will
:concern drinking culture b) many- "Kissing Booth" "The Fight"-
:are not about liquor.
I am Nick Clark. Here is what Chris referrs to:
:"The Breathalyzer Test," by Chris Stangl:.
:Kind of funny, mostly a lot the same as the rest of the drinking
:shorts. The drawback of this particular one was that it drew more
:attention to sucking off a cop than it did to the pathos of
:alcoholism. Thus it became more of a cheap joke than a cautionary
:tale.
Nowhere did I say that it was not about alcohol. In fact I did say
it was about alcohal, cause it was. I use the term 'Drinking
Short' clearly differentiating it from pieces such as "Fight" et
al. I never criticized the fact that it was not about drinking,
what I criticized was the fact that, though it was about drinking,
it lacked the inherent criticism of alcoholism the other alcohol
related bits had. It drew comic attention from the decadence of
alcoholism to something else. Pardon the pun but it felt like a
"cop-out". Now, with regard to Chris' response, please READ (or
reread as necessary) my criticism before you respond to it. You
make me sound like a fool for offering such a dimwitted criticism
of this piece, and I think I do a good enough job of that on my
own, thank you very much.
Cheetos,
Clark
Subj: BoardRoom: re: all this slush
From: cents_two@hotmail.com (Two Cents)
Time: Wed, 28-Mar-2001 01:17:49 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
I am still tired but here goes: First I think it is interesting,
or maybe its more a matter of human psychology, that in order to
take an opinion seriously it must come from a person that you can
identify with or assign characteristics to such as gender,
standing (audience or performer), knowledge of (do I know them
personally), etc. Although I still question the validity of
this, I dont see anyone else saying it isnt so therefore I might
have to just accept the possibility that it just is so. I have,
so far as I know, never posted anything that wasnt honest or
could be construed as 'mean'. Even saying that I am 'a mean
person' is an attempt to assign a persona to me. I also find
interesting the difference in tone of the two posts that you have
made. The first was somewhat polite. The second invents a
hypothetical situation wherein you feel free to call me
a 'bitch'. I wondered what brought on the change, I re read my
last post to you and then thought, ahh, the critique, well then I
guess the one I gave your piece wasnt all that favorable. I want
to make you certain that had nothing to do with your post. It
was an honest opinion of your piece. Perhaps that had nothing to
do with it at all but its awfully suspicious when I go
from 'having valid comments' to being a bitch and 'a mean
person'. Perhaps you should stop questioning my motives and look
at your own.
After I read Toms reply about what happened to him on stage, I
thought it was a horrible thing for Chris to do, if in fact he
did do it, yet I still re created the comments (that didnt make
my original post) as near to what they where (prior to reading
Toms reply) as I could. Point being that despite what I might
feel about Chris personally, I gave my honest opinion of his
work. Likewise, though Ive felt that there has been some meaness
pointed in Toms direction I still gave my honest opinion of his
work, unfavorable as it might have been. I think that as Two
Cents I have not demonstrated meaness, that I have demonstrated
honesty and overall I dont think any of this is that big of a
deal and that perhaps Dan is taking it too seriously. But if I
am wrong, If the majority of those who post on the board feel
that I am wasting their time and that they cant take my critiques
seriously then I will not post here any longer. Unfortunatly I
will not and can not give my real name though I intend no malice
by it.
TC
Subj: BoardRoom: Review
From: strangelove45@hotmail.com (paulrust)
Time: Wed, 28-Mar-2001 05:35:04 GMT IP: 128.255.107.234
Hello, this is Paul with a review. Just a reminder that it'd be
neat-o if there were more reviews from the audience. Dig? Dug...
Funny and Skeeter Valentine.
0.5 "The Girl Trouble Oracle" by Chris Stangl. 1:03
[Stangl, Lawson; comedy sketch] Liquor solves shyness, pregnancy.
This was good because it found another way of telling the joke.
Instead of being a boring "man asks friend or doctor for advice"
sketch, Stangl had it told thru an oracle's perspective, which
was new and fun to watch. Alone, the concept of fetal alcohol
syndrome would have been funny, but by taking it down a
different avenue, it was better.
1. "The Wrong Number Sketch-0" by Chimpanzee {Tom Knapp} 2:36
[Stangl, Knapp, River, Clarke; comedy sketch] Sadistic
telephone operator and parrot harass customers.
Good writing and acting. The only problem I had with this one
was the physical comedy at the end. Physical comedy's good.
Nothing wrong with that. It just looked really awkward. Physical
comedy can only be good with a lot of practice (unless it's
intention is to be awkward) and given No Shame's lack of
rehearsal time, this physical comedy should thus, be limited.
2. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part One: Microcosm" by Al Angel 0:21
[Angel, Clark; comedy sketch] A romance begins.
I'll split my review for each section. First off, the title is
interesting to me. Normally, I would think the true in "true
love" would mean the actual loving is honest, respectful, etc...
but since it's all capitalized, it looks as if its saying the
trilogy is true as in like t.v. movie titles (i.e. "The True
Tale..."). I don't really know what is being said by all this,
it just sparked my interest. Perhaps Al Angel could tell us what
it means on this crazy message board?
3. "Amanda's Storytime" by Amanda 2:36
[Amanda; comedy improv] Extemporaneous tale of "Arlen's Fat
Butt" involves Arlen's consumption of squirrel pee.
Nervousness is really funny to me, so I liked this piece a lot.
I know Amanda probably has a nice niche with this storybook
improv style and it does definately work, but I'd like to see
her try different things. She obviously has a knack for creating
stories, so I wonder what it would be like if she put her ideas
into a drafted script. She should try it. If it fails, then
maybe go back to improv.
4. "Blind Man's Bluff" by Tom Kovacs 6:05
[Kovacs, Negron, Rust, Phoedra Gay, River, others; comedy
sketch] "Sam Negron" (Kovacs)'s blindness revealed as sham;
"Negron" beaten.
This was good, but it went on too long. If Tom would have
streamlined his core ideas into a strong four minutes, it would
have been really good.
4.4. "Things That Were Wrong With `Batman and Robin'" by Joel
Schumacher )0:08 [?, ?; comedy sketch] George Clooney and Arnold
Schwartzenegger are those things. Blackout.
Someone suggested that they should have said the title before
the lights came on. Although I agree that this may have created
a stronger reaction from the audience, I think it was just a
savvy comedic move. For people who remembered the title from
read-thru, it became a twist on joke-telling (set up/thirty
minutes later... punchline) and for for people who didn't
remember the title, discovering the title later would have also
made it a twist on joke-telling (punchline/then set-up). And if
people still discover the joke, then its just weirdness and
that's funny, too.
5. "Normalization" by Kate Chisolm 6:04
[Chisholm, ?, ?; comedy sketch] Bar girl's conscience laments
her bargirl behavior.
I think "first performance" jitters were pretty evident with the
breaking in character and such. Hopefully, this will get worked
out with more performances as they become more comfortable. For
anyone planning to do a piece at NS for the first time, however,
just be prepared for the audience to laugh, so you don't laugh
with them. It's hard for some people not to laugh with an
audience though... people like me.
6. "My Lovelife at Age Sixteen" by Nella Christo Arbock 2:51
[Clarke; monologue] Nella consumes hallucinogen, crashes four
wheeler, contemplates naked man.
There's some interesting back-and-forth that's going on here.
Although there was some definate Nella Christo Arbock touches
throughout this piece (the poetic form of nostalgia,
whistfulness, etc.), it felt very much like an Aprille Clarke
piece because of her dedicated performance. This is by no means
a criticism. I found it exciting to see two different people
approach and create a concept thru writing and acting. This
maybe a general lesson in "acting for others' writing." It's
good to find a way to make it your own, but still give a feeling
of someone else's art, so it gets the justice it deserves.
7. "Putty" by Lisa Day 4:46
[Day, ?; monologue] Unwanted grapefruit dooms would-be romance.
Acting was very good. It seemed dedicated to sticking to its own
point without straying for the audience's pleasure. I'm assuming
this came from a lot of thought and rehearsal.
7.5. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part Two: Parallax" by Al "Horatio"
Angel 0:15 [Angel, Clark; comedy sketch] Romance now includes
sexual relations.
I liked these overall sketches because it was very "Ren and
Stimpy"-ish. Not that the characters were gross or animated for
that matter, but because there was this weird ambiguity between
friends, secret lovers, overall gender. At first, I thought
maybe it was a gay couple, but by this second sketch, they were
in a position done commonly by heterosexuals (I maybe naive and
wrong here, however), so it made me wonder who was playing the
girl and who was playing the boy. And this was great because it
allowed the audience to question what they find typical for
genders in a relationship.
8. "Coming Soon" by Adam Burton 3:26
[Okiishi, Clarke, Cassady, Weird Al; comedy sketch] Trailer for
film featuring sunblock superheroes and "Floppy Porn Guy."
Funny piece. Great acting. I wish Adam would write more.
9. "Nobody Puts Baby In the Corner, OR Do You Wanna Wanna Mahna
Mahna" by Dan Fairchild 2:11 [Fairchild, Clarke; dance] Comic
dance to Jim Henson's "Monomonop."
Good that this wasn't forced into some comic set-up or
resolution. Just it by itself was good enough.
10. "Who Do You Think You Are?" by Aprille Clarke 5:15
[Rust, Clarke, Fairchild; comedy sketch] Prostitute specializes
in golden showers; janitor pretends to be business mogul.
Since I liked this piece and didn't find anything wrong with it,
I'll just use this space to apologize for me fucking up the tone
in the end by running into the curtain.
10.5. "Genre Pt I: Horror, Also Known as Comedy" by Arlen Lawson
0:28 [Campbell, Lawson; comedy sketch] Man debilitated by
nerves of steel. Everyone laughs instead of feeling sad.
Its cool to see Arlen toying with his own conventions. He had
done "the narrator describing characters" sketches for awhile.
And doing it well, I might add. But by kind of parodying that
style with this blackout sketch, it was humoursly self-knowing
and deprecating (sp?).
11. "The Deadlies, Part Two; The Orange Pig" by Frank Schroeder
{J.C. Luxton} 7:00 [Luxton, Okiishi; comedy sketch] Man steals,
eats pie, contracts negative body image.
This is a good lesson in taking a standard sketch and twisting
it into another concept. The "eating someone else's pie" bit is
so standard, but by turning it into a forum discussing body
image and self-loathing, it made it new and interesting.
12. "Stillness a Mop a Kay" by Arly Farly 1:04
[River, Rust, Angel, Fairchild, Clark; musical piece] Jamal
bangs pot, leads marching chant.
This was so good-hearted, silly, and fun. Jamal should perform
his sketches for No Shame audiences AND children. That's a
compliment, too, by the way.
12.5. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part Three: Resolution" by Al
"Pretty pretty pretty" Angel 0:17 [Clark, Angel; sketch]
Romance dissolved on bus.
Funny that this was entitled "Resolution" since it commonly
wouldn't be considered one. I liked it alth
Subj: BoardRoom: review (continued)
From: strangelove45@hotmail.com (paulrust)
Time: Wed, 28-Mar-2001 05:45:19 GMT IP: 128.255.107.234
11. "The Deadlies, Part Two; The Orange Pig" by Frank Schroeder
{J.C. Luxton} 7:00 [Luxton, Okiishi; comedy sketch] Man steals,
eats pie, contracts negative body image.
This is a good lesson in taking a standard sketch and twisting
it into another concept. The "eating someone else's pie" bit is
so standard, but by turning it into a forum discussing body
image and self-loathing, it made it new and interesting.
12. "Stillness a Mop a Kay" by Arly Farly 1:04
[River, Rust, Angel, Fairchild, Clark; musical piece] Jamal
bangs pot, leads marching chant.
This was so good-hearted, silly, and fun. Jamal should perform
his sketches for No Shame audiences AND children.
12.5. "The TRUE Love Trilogy; Part Three: Resolution" by Al
"Pretty pretty pretty" Angel 0:17 [Clark, Angel; sketch]
Romance dissolved on bus.
Funny that this was entitled "Resolution" since it commonly
wouldn't be considered one. I liked it although I think it could
have been better if it had a joke in it like the rest. Not a "ha
ha ha" joke like the others, but a sort of bittersweet joke.
13. "My Own Private Sitcom" by Paul Rust 6:08
[Rust; comic monologue] Psychosis/ desperation leads boy to
enact family tragedy as one-man situation comedy.
Sorry this went over five minutes.
14. "This Is Who We Are" by Neil "Balls" Campbell 4:38
[Campbell, Thompson, Lawson, Cassady, Galbraith, ?; comedy
sketch] Parade of horrors commonplace and extraordinary all
lost in apathy at restaurant.
Sly, funny way of commenting on society. Instead of beating the
audience over the head with, "See how stupid people act and
talk," it was done thru jokes and acting that seemed silly
enough to not feel like a sermon.
15. "Brown Dead Leaves" by Chris Stangl
Chris avoided boring the audience by not just reading a story he
had written aloud. He created a character that had a justifiable
reason for telling the story. This was also good because it was
one of the few times that I felt music, lighting, and props were
needed to enhance the story and the mood. They weren't just
there to be different or cool. That would be a distraction and
these weren't.
That's it. By the way, ALL my songs are now up at
www.mp3.com/paulrust. Check them out if you feel so inclined.
Subj: BoardRoom: re: all this slush
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (dan fairchild)
Time: Wed, 28-Mar-2001 03:03:08 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
The whole thing of not taking you that seriously has nothing
to do with what you are or who you are. What it is is this:
since you don't have the common courtesy to give us your
name, if doing so is so damning, why should we trust what
you have to say and take you seriously?
Furthermore, I was not just talking about you. You are the
most vocal example and so I used your "name" just as you
did.
Also, I'm sorry if you took my words as insulting to you. The
hypothetical situation described using those words does not
describe your situation at all since we have always known
that your real name isn't Two Cents. This should also have
been clear by the fact that you, as far as I know, have not said
anything that could be considered malicious in this board.
The purpose of the hypothetical situation was to show that if
you want to remain anonymous, there are ways to do it and
be taken seriously. That part was directed at you. But like I
said, the situation itself does not describe yours so I was not
calling you a bitch. Even if the hypothetical situation was
pointed solely, directly at you, the term "bitch" was used to
show the frustration that results from all this anonymous
garbage.
But even though I did not call you a bitch, I still apologize for
the perceived insult. And it had nothing to do with your review
of my piece. I didn't even perceive your review to be that bad.
It accomplished what I thought it would I agree with you
where you said it faltered.
What I find interesting is the fact that you would rather
disappear completely from this board room and not voice
your opinion at all than give a real name. But I guess that
after all this crap, bickering and what not, giving your real
name would be kind of awkward and I definitely apologize for
that since I've been a part of it. I'm prepared to drop it. The
whole purpose behind my posts was that there's a better way
to remain anonymous is all. If you want to drop it and tell me
your real name, email it to me and I won't tell. If I know you,
so what, if I don't, then so what again. If you don't want to tell
me, once again, so what.
wuv,
dan
Subj: BoardRoom: re: all this slush
From: cents_two@hotmail.com (Two Cents)
Time: Wed, 28-Mar-2001 20:21:24 GMT IP: 128.255.193.23
Re reading the posts, alluminating them with the light of sleep,
I find areas that seemed dark at the time are really only gray.
Rather, I seemed to have jumped to unfounded conclusions, my
apologies. You seem to have landed straight on my situation, to
name myself now would be a bit awkward. I hope I can offer you
some solice in that if I where suddenly to drop my real name you
would not know me any better than you do now. I am, more than
not and more so than you, an audience member. Does that help?
TC
Subj: BoardRoom: re: Order for 3-23-01
From: lucre@farts.com (Nick Bob Predicate C)
Time: Thu, 29-Mar-2001 04:01:27 GMT IP: 208.50.80.71
I don't pretend that I have anything valuable or interesting to say
about the show. If you have a problem with me posting a review of
the show anyway, grow up.
0.5 "The Girl Trouble Oracle" by Chris Stangl. 1:03
This piece manages to enact every stock feature of the Drunkard
Skunkard formula, yet still come off as fresh and original, as well
as amusing. How? Perhaps it is the sheer volume of pieces in this
category which causes each new one to seem unique. Perhaps it is
the fact that, while dealing with hackneyed subject matter, and in
many cases hackneyed jokes, the pieces achieve some sort of
originality in writing -&- character voice.
1. "The Wrong Number Sketch-0" by Chimpanzee {Tom Knapp} 2:36
Clever writing was eclipsed by clever and apt casting.
3. "Amanda's Storytime" by Amanda 2:36
Amanda's things have been my hardest laughs of the semester. I
didn't laugh as hard this time as I did at the first Amanda thing I
saw; I believe the smaller space (not to mention her yucky
trousers) detracted and distracted from her peculiar mode of
spontaneously generated humor. I really like the stage persona she
projects - a sort of amphetimine joy which reminds me, like all
good things, of Ani DiFranco.
4. "Blind Man's Bluff" by Tom Kovacs 6:05
There were some funny things in here, but it clearly needed some
editing, and this is something I would have said even if I hadn't
seen the running time. In fact, the time would perhaps be more
reasonable if the excessive beating had not taken place. But time
is not the issue. As with almost every Kovacs piece, there's too
much stuff in here which doesn't really matter to me as an audience
member; or rather, it doesn't matter enough to warrant its effect
on pacing.
4.4. "Things That Were Wrong With `Batman and Robin'" by
Joel Schumacher )0:08
I liked this piece a lot at the time that I saw it. I had no
recollection whatsoever of the title, and I don't think I would
have liked it if I had remembered the title. It's a great little
blackout to simply have two people whose faces I don't recognize
identify themselves as people I don't know whose faces I would
recognize.
5. "Normalization" by Kate Chisolm 6:04
[Chisholm, ?, ?; comedy sketch]
See separate post.
6. "Putty" by Lisa Day 4:46
[Day, ?; monologue]
I felt like this came closer to accomplishing what Normalization
wished to accomplish - perhaps by seemingly acknowledging the
potential of laughter within a serious piece: humor and laughter
which do not make an audience happy or giddy, but stab like diamond
daggers into their eyeballs. Though I had assumed that
Normalization pursued a similar tack, that intent was clearer here.
7. "Coming Soon" by Adam Burton 3:26
[Okiishi, Clarke, Cassady, Weird Al; comedy sketch]
A fun bit of seeming fluff which provided a bit of relief from more
serious pieces. A lot of really well crafted jokes and some very
well advised casting. Most floppy porn guys do look a bit like
Mike, after all.
9. "Nobody Puts Baby In the Corner, OR Do You Wanna Wanna
Mahna Mahna" by Dan Fairchild 2:11
A fairly successful attempt on Dan's part to capture the joy of AJM
River's distilled humor; a single non-joke drawn out to a long, yet
tolerable length allows the audience to give up on trying to find
the joke and laugh and/or enjoy theirselfs because whatever is
happening, it's neat and fun, and most importantly - in the same
way as a song by a talentless bubble-punk band - it's fun to watch
because the people doing it look like they're having fun.
10. "Who Do You Think You Are?" by Aprille Clarke 5:15
[Rust, Clarke, Fairchild; comedy sketch]
Enjoyable and depressing and sexual like most Aprille stuff.
Neither as affecting nor as laughable as it may have had the
potential to be. Why? 1) Golden showers hold relatively little
inherent shock value. 2) That the janitor was really the boss etc.
was obvious too early in the piece to establish the kind of really
affecting reversal that Clarke usually uses to drive home her
morals.
10.5. "Genre Pt I: Horror, Also Known as Comedy" by Arlen
Lawson
0:28
[Campbell, Lawson; comedy sketch]
What is an extra-short piece? It exists as a moment set within
blackness. Because the ratio of piece length to blackness length
favors blackness so much more than longer pieces, the blacknesses
and the pauses become the primary feature of the peice. Thus there
is no space in which to establish a universe with tangiable
parameters, the piece exists outside of the parameters of daily
life, or of imaginary space. In this unique area, anything said
holds a strange resonance, as if we have been given an objective
glimpse though a tear in our own reality. That is why I feel that
this piece so genuinely made the utmost use of its structure: Here
arlen calls into burning, deeply painful reality the insanity of
the idioms we fling around thoughtlessly.
11. "The Deadlies, Part Two; The Orange Pig" by Frank
Schroeder
{J.C. Luxton} 7:00
[Luxton, Okiishi; comedy sketch]
I believe that, though 7 minutes long, this piece had only two
lines: "Chris, is this your pie?" and "I'm such a fat fuck". Yet
enough things occurred through the course of the piece that it did
not lose my interest. A fantastic use of space and silences took
the place of dialogue effectively.
12. "Stillness a Mop a Kay" by Arly Farly 1:04
[River, Rust, Angel, Fairchild, Clark; musical piece]
Having not been able to see this from the audience, I can't be
certain how it read. I didn't have the impression I was
participating in a comedy sketch. I'm not sure what I was
participating in, but it was fun, and neat, and a good simple idea.
13. "My Own Private Sitcom" by Paul Rust 6:08
[Rust; comic monologue]
This was my favorite Rust piece so far, and of course that says a
great deal. Did what several previous Rust pieces had attempted
and failed at: set up a pathetic situation the full weight of whose
pathos only gradually became evident. The same situation's
whackiness burned itself out, therby revealing the pathos secreted
beneath.
15. "Brown Dead Leaves and a Dirty Broom" by Chris Stangl
6:20[Stangl, River; autobio monologue]
Placed in a deliciously immersive sensual environment: dim lights,
watch chain, sleeveless undershirt, hatful of dead leaves, misty
thumb piano. There was enough strength in the purely sensual
elements to make the piece work regardless of the text, but the
text evocatively echoed the spooky environment of the stage and its
rythm let it work as lyrics in a sort of accidental song in
communication with the thumb piano which, yes, did seem to come
from a mysterious, elemental source rather than from a personality.
They Called me Mister Tibbs,
Now they call me Nick Clark
Subj: BoardRoom: re: all this slush
From: antithesis@birdmail.com (dan fairchild)
Time: Thu, 29-Mar-2001 18:15:18 GMT IP: 128.255.109.19
No help needed, but thank you. Like I said, so what. Just
wanted to make it less awkward if you did want to tell your
name.
dan
Subj: BoardRoom: ALL Tom Kovacs Things
From: cmstangl@hotmail.com (Chris Stangl)
Time: Sat, 31-Mar-2001 01:02:47 GMT IP: 4.4.74.81
1- I did not at any point take or attempt to take Tom Kovacs'
shoe from off his person at any No Shame performance.
2- I DID drunkenly rush Tom Kovacs during his piece last Friday,
albeit in a mob of others. The persons leaping from the
audience seemed unruly and not invitation-only, and I honestly
thought Tom Kovacs would not mind-- indeed WANTED-- people to
mock-beat him.
Having read the script, I do not think I affected the
outcome of the piece (it was over, same ending), but since he
feels my unwelcome presence onstage hindered his performance, I
apologize. I did not take or touch his shoe, which would be
mean. I apologize again.
3- I did misspell Phaedra Gay's name.
4- Re: Sam Negron's Kovacs impression.
Kovacs asserts that I don't know him well enough to judge
Negron's impression. That shouldn't matter, and doesn't: If the
audience has to be best friends with T. Kovacs to "get" the
jokes of him, than those are self-indulgent inside jokes,
useless to most of the audience.
That, however is not what I was criticizing: Negron's
evocation of Kovac's at-home backstory is not the issue here.
Sam Negron did a poor impression: that is, he doesn't sound or
move like Kovacs. In an impression one would copy and
exaggerate Tom's speech patterns, personal tics, etc. Example:
Negron's voice is naturally lower than Kovacs', whose voice
sometimes squeaks and cracks. Instead of tightening his vocal
cords and going for the upper Kovacs-registers, Negron
nonsensically LOWERS his voice and talks like Chris "Corky"
Burke, which may have been funny and weird... but it doesn't
sound like no Tom Kovacs.
Tom Kovacs, for the record, does a pretty fucking good Sam
Negron.
-Chris Stangl
Subj: BoardRoom: Order, 3/30/01
From: greta-garbo@rawk-star.com (Aprille)
Time: Sat, 31-Mar-2001 08:42:51 GMT IP: 205.244.160.53
NO SHAME THEATER March 30, 2001
Announcements, order: Aprille Clarke, Neil "Balls"
Campbell
0.5 "The Dream Girl," by Chris Stangl: C Stangl, A Lawson.
[C and A discuss the merits of having an alcoholic girlfriend;
comedy sketch]
1. "Union Bar Mid-Winter Contest 2001 aka Tits -&- Ass Meat
Show!!!" by Jenny Stoke -&- Erin King: J Stoke, E King, A
Galbraith. [J and E get fully clothed, accompanied by Bjork
and A; comedy sketch]
2. "Son of Nelson," by Al Angel, Virgie Woolf, -&- Noam
Chomsky: A Angel, nearly everyone else who has ever
written or performed at No Shame and was in the audience.
[A falls down, pandemonium ensues; repeat. A finds
quarter; comedy sketch]
3. "800 Feet Deep," by Dan Fairchild: D Fairchild. [D
whimpers, cries, and eventually leaves the stage;
patheto-comedy blackout]
4. "Atrophy Wife," by Mark Hansen: Steph Braun. [While
talking on the telephone, S reveals her gradual loss of body;
serio-comic monologue]
5. "The Deadlies, Part Three: The Yellow Frog," by Melissa
Crownover: JC Luxton, A Burton, A Galbraith. [AG lassos
and gets pizza, AB repays debt to JC by being hogtied;
comedy sketch.]
6. "Ken Interrupted," by Tom Kovacs: T Kovacs, A Galbraith.
[Despite disapproval by the light booth, T delivers a
Romeo-and-Juliet-based monologue to a Barbie; comedy
sketch.]
6.5. "The Tale of the Giggly Bumblefucker," by Andy
Plumshower: N"B" Campbell, M Cassady. [N"B" and M
reveal the true source of Dr. Chris Oki Ishi's massive libido;
comedy sketch.]
7. "Genre, Pt. II: WESTERN," by Arlen Lawson: A Lawson.
[In a Western setting, A reveals the beauty of an
unconscious Indian, ever the butt of local jokes; serio-comic
monologue.]
8. "ImproviZe This!" by Jeffrey L. Hansen: JL Hansen, M
Hansen, D Fairchild, S Griffin, M Cassady, JC Luxton. [Most
of the aforementioned receive roles and motivations, then
improvise; improvisational comedy bit.]
9. "African Violence," by Aprille Clarke: A Clarke, C Stangl.
[Woman eats African violet, man euthanizes dogs, pain
ensues; serio-comedy sketch.]
10. "Chemistry Sucks," by Erin King: M Brooks, S Griffin, P
Rust, M Cassady, E King. [All but E represent variously
charged sub-atomic particles; E describes; comedy sketch.]
11. "Sock 'em, Rock 'em," by Spooge Spencer Griffin: S
Griffin, M Hansen, P Rust, D Fairchild, T Kovacs. [S, M, and
P use sock puppets to tell tales; they are accused of
plagiarism; comedy sketch.]
12. "Four Seconds in the Rectory," by Paul Rust: P Rust, M
Cassady, T Sherwood. [M-as-priest masturbates, realizes
source of arousal is a porn-star parishoner (T), mutual
horror ensues; comedy sketch.]
13. "A.A.," by Dan Katz: A Clarke, N"B" Campbell, D
Fairchild, M Cassady. [Several Bobs attend an A.A. meeting
with varying contributions; comedy sketch.]
14. "The John the Baptist Blanket, or: GOD! Get Out of that
Machine!" by Chris Stangl: C Stangl, A Burton, A Lawson, M
Cassady, N"B" Campbell. [AB recounts an old-testament
story of dancing and violence; N"B" dances under the
influence of drugs; C takes off his clothes which made me
not be able to pay attention to what he was saying; AL and M
describe their S-&-M activites; comedy sketch.]
15. "The Stare," by Neil "Balls" Campbell: N"B" Campbell.
[illuminated from below, sitting upstage right, N"B" delivers
a monologue. I apologize for not being able to provide more
details; dramatic monologue.]
Subj: BoardRoom: KEYS FOUND
From: gretagarbo@rawk-star.com (Aprille)
Time: Sat, 31-Mar-2001 17:11:18 GMT IP: 205.244.167.101
Hey, I was rearranging things in the back seat of my car last
night to make room for passengers and I found a set of
keys, owner unknown to me. The last time I threw anything
in the back seat of my car was No Shame 3/23, so I'm afraid
I picked them up there and then accidentally.
341-6682, describe to claim. because you're supposed to
say that about keys.
Subj: BoardRoom: 2 Things
From: neilerdude@hotmail.com (Balls)
Time: Sat, 31-Mar-2001 17:43:07 GMT IP: 205.244.160.86
1) #6.5 was not by "Andy Plumshower," but was in fact written
by "Audrey Plumshower III." A friend of mine.
2) A fair description of piece #15 might be "Monologue about
staring through a car windshield." Just for the record.
Okay.
Balls
Bonus Number! 3) Hitting return after entering name and email
will not move your cursor into the subject window; instead, it
yields unforgivable results.
Subj: BoardRoom: My first review
From: blue__seraph@hotmail.com (Seth Brenneman)
Time: Sun, 01-Apr-2001 06:12:01 GMT IP: 208.129.184.106
This is my first review. I really have much theatre background
yet, so don't expect any long words or truly deeo thoughts,
which I have none of.
0.5 "The Dream Girl," by Chris Stangl: C Stangl, A Lawson.
[C and A discuss the merits of having an alcoholic girlfriend;
comedy sketch]
This is just another point toward the fact that excessive
drinking always yeilds whacky results! I have come to love
these little show starters like a brother I had, but moved
away.
1. "Union Bar Mid-Winter Contest 2001 aka Tits --&-- Ass Meat
Show!!!" by Jenny Stoke --&-- Erin King: J Stoke, E King, A
Galbraith. [J and E get fully clothed, accompanied by Bjork
and A; comedy sketch]
Anything that is making fun of the mauscline, testosterone
driven bar called the Union is always good. You were expecting
the girls to take off thier clothes! not put them on!
it was a welcomed poke at the seedy underbelly of Iowa City.
2. "Son of Nelson," by Al Angel, Virgie Woolf, --&-- Noam
Chomsky: A Angel, nearly everyone else who has ever
written or performed at No Shame and was in the audience.
[A falls down, pandemonium ensues; repeat. A finds
quarter; comedy sketch]
random humping + lot of running + lots of screaming = Hilarity!
3. "800 Feet Deep," by Dan Fairchild: D Fairchild. [D
whimpers, cries, and eventually leaves the stage;
patheto-comedy blackout]
I didn't know if I sould cry or laugh at this, I ended up
laughing at it. I'm not sure if that was the message he was
trying to get across, but crying is usually funny in most
circumstances.
4. "Atrophy Wife," by Mark Hansen: Steph Braun. [While
talking on the telephone, S reveals her gradual loss of body;
serio-comic monologue]
I liked how it was actually like a phone conversation, she kept
breaking in between sentences and doing typical phone like
things. this monologue was sad in a freaky-sad sort of way.
5. "The Deadlies, Part Three: The Yellow Frog," by Melissa
Crownover: JC Luxton, A Burton, A Galbraith. [AG lassos
and gets pizza, AB repays debt to JC by being hogtied;
comedy sketch.]
The funny thing about this one is it was surprizingly lifelike.
This kind of thing has happened to me before. Not the entire
being hogtied thing, but the lasso type thing. Someone wants to
show off a new found skill, but they find they are not skilled,
and then we laugh at there misfourtune.
6. "Ken Interrupted," by Tom Kovacs: T Kovacs, A Galbraith.
[Despite disapproval by the light booth, T delivers a
Romeo-and-Juliet-based monologue to a Barbie; comedy
sketch.]
The lightbooth interaction at the beggining was very neat and
original. I also like how the lightbooth guy sounded like some
sort of god. I didn't really like the idea of the G.I. Joe and
Barbie, that seems alittle to predictable to me, but It was
overall a funny piece.
6.5. "The Tale of the Giggly Bumblefucker," by Andy
Plumshower: N"B" Campbell, M Cassady. [N"B" and M
reveal the true source of Dr. Chris Oki Ishi's massive libido;
comedy sketch.]
These kind of sketchs are the reason I come to no shame. They
are short, very funny, and the best part is that they leave
little to think about so you can be ready for the next skit with
very little follow-up questions...the only question I had was,
was that a real X-ray of a penis?
7. "Genre, Pt. II: WESTERN," by Arlen Lawson: A Lawson.
[In a Western setting, A reveals the beauty of an
unconscious Indian, ever the butt of local jokes; serio-comic
monologue.]
I like Arlen's writing alot, I done remember much about this
skit. I just remember Arlens type of stuttering acting making
me giggle like i used to back in 3rd grade.
8. "ImproviZe This!" by Jeffrey L. Hansen: JL Hansen, M
Hansen, D Fairchild, S Griffin, M Cassady, JC Luxton. [Most
of the aforementioned receive roles and motivations, then
improvise; improvisational comedy bit.]
I think this could have been better, but it was improv...so
there is not much you can really do.
9. "African Violence," by Aprille Clarke: A Clarke, C Stangl.
[Woman eats African violet, man euthanizes dogs, pain
ensues; serio-comedy sketch.]
This one's ending had me thinking all night. It was a powerful
skit that stuck with me well into the night.
10. "Chemistry Sucks," by Erin King: M Brooks, S Griffin, P
Rust, M Cassady, E King. [All but E represent variously
charged sub-atomic particles; E describes; comedy sketch.]
Alot of running + chemistry made fun = This sketch!
11. "Sock 'em, Rock 'em," by Spooge Spencer Griffin: S
Griffin, M Hansen, P Rust, D Fairchild, T Kovacs. [S, M, and
P use sock puppets to tell tales; they are accused of
plagiarism; comedy sketch.]
I have been reading this board for awhile now...and I really
want to know who two cents is too. I don't remember much fro
this skit either. I know I laughed at it quite a bit, I just
don't remember exacaly what it was though.
12. "Four Seconds in the Rectory," by Paul Rust: P Rust, M
Cassady, T Sherwood. [M-as-priest masturbates, realizes
source of arousal is a porn-star parishoner (T), mutual
horror ensues; comedy sketch.]
masturbating is also one of those things that will make people
laugh no matter what, and this skit had masturbating everywhere
you looked. It had quite the plot twist at the end that made me
fear to ever go into a rectory again.
13. "A.A.," by Dan Katz: A Clarke, N"B" Campbell, D
Fairchild, M Cassady. [Several Bobs attend an A.A. meeting
with varying contributions; comedy sketch.]
everyone's name was Bob!..what are the chances of that! very
slim I tell you.
14. "The John the Baptist Blanket, or: GOD! Get Out of that
Machine!" by Chris Stangl: C Stangl, A Burton, A Lawson, M
Cassady, N"B" Campbell. [AB recounts an old-testament
story of dancing and violence; N"B" dances under the
influence of drugs; C takes off his clothes which made me
not be able to pay attention to what he was saying; AL and M
describe their S--&--M activites; comedy sketch.]
This sketch is what made my night. The beach party thing was
fun. This was your typical "really funny" no shame skit...and
the dance at the end sealed the deal for me.
15. "The Stare," by Neil "Balls" Campbell: N"B" Campbell.
[illuminated from below, sitting upstage right, N"B" delivers
a monologue. I apologize for not being able to provide more
details; dramatic monologue.]
I was honestly scared after this one...the though of a giant
raccoon with a human head now lingers in my dreams.
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